How to replace the dash speaker in a '63 Valiant.

TheIronSausage

Two brain cells left.. rubbing together for warmth
I have a dual tweeter stereo speaker in the dash hole in my Valiant. It recently let the smoke out of it, so I decided to replace it. While I had the guts of the dash out, I figured that I'd pull the defroster vents and dash cap (V200.. so fancy) because they looked absolutely terrible. IMG_1369.JPG

I dont have a shot of the dash cap, but suffice to say it was just as fugly. I've got defroster vents from a seventies D100 that I need to paint and install (exact same part for the two early A body guys who might find this page).IMG_1370.JPG

I sent the dash cap off to an upholsterer. He said he'd maybe have it done in a week. Since my dashboard is completely gutted for about a week, I thought it would be a good idea to Super Six my car finally. I've been collecting the necessary parts for a while, and have two full sets, and other manifolds, carbs, linkages etc that I've picked up over the years.. the down time is perfect to make one set look factory "right" on my '63. I got the manifolds off, and had to drill and tap the very front bolt hole for the exhaust manifold after it broke. While I had it all apart, I decided to try and fix a previously botched repair on the rearmost exhaust manifold bolt. At some point, somebody had broken a bolt off back there. While trying to fix it, they (or me.. too many cars worked on, not enough brain cells left to remember) drilled into the water jacket. The hole had been upsized from 5/16-18 to 3/8-16, but was threaded incorrectly, and always leaked a little bit of coolant into the exhaust. I helicoiled it, and put a fresh 3/8-16 stud in it after slathering both generously in pipe dope. Then I spent about an hour separating an intake/exhaust manifold combo with an oxy/acetylene torch because the intake I wanted to use was in way nicer shape than the one that was rust welded to the super nice exhaust manifold I wanted to use. After getting them apart and painted up, I turned my attention to the gas pedal. Those of you dumb enough to try and modernize early A bodies know that the old rod and bell crank linkage/gas pedal combo that came in them only works with single barrel bullshit. So I pulled the carpet back to get the old pedal out, and found out how bad my floor pans were. Don't get me wrong.. I knew the driver's side was shot and the passenger side was spongy, but I was still surprised at how bad the driver's side was. I did a quick search on EBay, and found a set of floorpans that the seller claims will fit 60-65 A bodies.. I'm sure they actually fit something else entirely, like a Ford Grenada. But I've got grinders, and a welder, so they'll fit eventually.

To recap.. I went to change a speaker, and now my car and garage look like this.

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The speaker isn't even in the car at all yet, it's sitting on the roof of the Challenger next to it.
 

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When you figure out how to remove a wiper assembly from an early A-body be sure to take many very detail pictures with instructions. :hmmm:
 
Actually, the '63's is easier to get to than the damned speaker. I assume you're referring to '60-'62 Valiants and Darts? Those are the early A bodies that are the true test of a dyed in the wool Mopar guy. No speed parts, no body parts, no axle worth a shit, no brake upgrades, no chance of finding a parts stash on Craigslist, and no aftermarket acknowledgement, let alone support. Even the forward look cars have a fighting chance.. '60-'62 Valiants especially are just doomed. The early Darts were kinda funky and cool.. The early Valiants are something only Stevie Wonder could love. I'd have one, no question. I love the unloveable.. but let's face it. It'd be a pityfuck.

Or did I miss the joke entirely?
 
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Even a dealership technician could get that out in a half an hour.

I'd probably take a week and end up shortening the driveshaft and redoing the headliner
 
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Progress made.

my car is now a super six. I had to replace the gas pedal, convert the bellcrank and rod over to a throttle cable, go through the carb, adapt a kick down linkage to work, torch and bend the new pedal mechanism to get WOT, and generally spend about another three hours finding and adapting parts in the empire of dirt, but it's done.
IMG_1394.JPGIt wasn't all that bad, really. Just a lot of cleaning, re threading, and bending stuff. I wanted it to look like the factory engineered it right the first time in '60..
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The air cleaner is off of my '68 Satellite's 318 BBD. The later super six jobs are too chunky and cluttered. The lid is the same piece though, so the "super six" decal would fit perfect if I wanted the callout
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If I remember correctly, Jas will be all over you for the glass filter. Glass and gas in an engine compartment are a match made in hell. Metal filters are the safe way to go.
 
Judging by that first pic, I think you might have a slight exhaust leak there at your manifold to exhaust pipe junction. ;)
 
I know about the glass filters. This one's suspended in the air above the power steering pump, and there's nothing even close to it. The tank in this car used to barf up a lot of rust. I kept the glass filter because I could see if it was clogged and I could service it every two hundred miles instead of replacing it. Money was tight. The tank has rid itself of most of the scale now. I should switch it over.

Yes, overspray also. I'll clean it
 
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Even a dealership technician could get that out in a half an hour.

According to the factory shop manual, for the 60-62 you need to remove the radio, speaker & glove box and remove the wiper motor and assembly as a unit by wiggling it out of the glove box hole. :doh:
 
According to the factory shop manual, for the 60-62 you need to remove the radio, speaker & glove box and remove the wiper motor and assembly as a unit by wiggling it out of the glove box hole. :doh:


Or use Rain-X
 
The nice thing about an early A body is that you can totally gut the dashboard in no time.. There's not much back there. Mine, anyway. I haven't been under the 60-62s.
 
There's no excuse for a glass filter. Doesn't matter that it's hanging in free space, any number of things can let go, fly apart, or kick up and break it. Glass can also shatter due to vibration and heat. If you need to see inside your filter, you get a plastic one (Wix 33002 or equivalent in this case). It will survive a shot from a BB gun, and you have to essentially lay it right on the exhaust manifold to melt it. It's also about half the cost of a glass one, with a better micron rating to boot.

Send me $1,000 if I'm wrong, but prior to '63 the Dart was either a full-size ('60-'61) or an as-yet-not-designated-as-such B-body ('62). Prior to '63, the Dodge A-body was the Lancer. In '60, the Valiant was its own marque rather than being a Plymouth.

Nice work on the unsluggery. Should've popped the head off whilst you were that far down and milled, oh, .100" off it for some compression. :dance:
 
Those defroster vents pictured in the first post are also the same on my '75 W300. Unfortunately mine look to be almost as bad off as your original vents were.

After reading through this thread, I think I better save replacing those vents for last. That way I'll already have everything else fixed up on my truck. :D
 
I got the dash cap back today, which works out because the last floor pan went in last night. The set of them showed up and were completely flat except for flat bends where the toe board and trans tunnel are. They had a bead or two rolled in them in places, but generally sat an inch or two above any frame member you'd plug weld them to. So I took a hammer to them.. They're ugly. I did the passenger side first, and spent a solid two hours screwing part of the pan down and beating the hell out of the area around the screw until I could put another screw in and start in another spot. It ended up looking like thisIMG_1414.JPG
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I eventually had to keep beating the edges down surrounding every plug weld while it was hot in order to form the metal enough to get the edges to lay down to move on to the next plug weld. I drilled 3/8" holes, which turned out to be way too big to plug weld. By the time you get from the center of the hole to the edge of the sheet metal, it's too hot and you burn a hole through the sheet. This problem wasn't helped at all by the primitively formed floor pan in the first place.. I fought the air between the pan and the unibody or existing sheet metal on every weld. The pans originally showed up like this (driver's side)IMG_3830.JPG
There was no option for year, or trans tunnel. I was just amazed that somebody had thought to attempt a set of floor pans for "60-65 Valiant, Lancer, Dart". I'm largely autodidactic, so I reasoned that only I would ever see the work again, and that anything was better than what I'd uncovered, so I just kept trying different things to get the first pan in. It sort of looks like a stack of smashed assholes, but that's why the good lord made carpet. The driver's side has less hammering and welds. Partially because I had a better understanding of how to lay it in, and partially because there was way less to weld to. Heavy primer and paint coats up top, followed by seam sealer. Plan the same for the bottom plus undercoat as soon as I can get it off the mid rise lift and on jackstands. Bodywork sucks.. my hat's off to Restoman and others with similar talents. I haven't even tried to patch in a body panel somebody might see, just tried to keep myself inside the car while I drive it.
 
I hope you didn't pay much for those pans. :doh: I could probably do as good with a tin snips and 15 minutes. :liar:
 
Ummm... I'd say slightly more than a hundred for the pair, shipped. Seemed reasonable at the time, but I'd never installed floor pans before. So, slightly embarrassing in retrospect.
 
I've seen a lot of floorpans and other replacement panels, but none of them ever looked that crude. :doh:
 
I've got a '67-'72 ish Dart driver's pan here as well. It looks like a finished product, but definitely wouldn't have fit my car without being butchered either. So I decided to butcher the flat one. Hopefully somebody can use the other.. Like I said, I was shocked that somebody had even attempted a floor pan for an early A. I wasn't expecting much out of them. They delivered.
 

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