Gun control

J.C. Corbett said:
I just have one more thing to add. If you encounter anyone calling for disarming, ask them if they've ever smoked weed. If they say yes, you can then explain in great detail how they're not remotely qualified to argue the benefits of prohibition. Try it, it's fun.:)
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I am so using that! Thanks J.C.! I love it!
 
I don't have my CCW, yet. It's #1 of the first things on my list come the new year. Luckily down here I CAN legally carry my gun in my vehicle, loaded with a chambered round, and I do! :D When I get pulled over I let the officer know, and the last one just smiled and said glad to know it.

2nd thing on my list is getting my M4A3 off layaway. I have also been looking at tactical shotguns, the Bennelli(?) M4 I WANT is about $1700, so I'm still looking. I did see a nice Mossberg, J.I.C. 20" barrel with an 8 round capacity, I believe it's around $400, and a lot easier to get "approval" to buy. The M4 was a hard sell, lemme tell ya!

My now 13 year old went shooting with us this summer, and did great! He shot a 9mm and a .40 S&W. He was a little nervous about grabbing my 10mm Glock or Spawn's .45 Kimber, but he'll get to it next time. I am going to sign the family up for a gun safety course too, seems like putting the cart before the horse, but my wife and I have taken it years ago. I think it would be good refresher and it would make my son more comfortable doing it.
 
My friend's 9-year-old can clear a "Texas Star" in under six seconds at 100 yards with her pink .22 Ruger rifle. He's moving her up slowly with calibers. He's also training his 5-year old son how to shoot. It's never too early.
 
Dr.Jass said:
My friend's 9-year-old can clear a "Texas Star" in under six seconds at 100 yards with her pink .22 Ruger rifle. He's moving her up slowly with calibers. He's also training his 5-year old son how to shoot. It's never too early.
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Train them early to train them right!
 
You guys can all relax. Gun control, of any sort, is very unlikely to happen in the US. It would take a politition(s) of monstrous will to enact any policy in that reguard.
Too bad the pro gun population was not as avid about those same polititions coming to some resonable agreement about your upcoming ''cliff''.
 
Our cliff is your cliff. If the U.S. economy tanks completely, everyone goes with us. Despite losses in value over the past several years, the U.S. dollar has remained the currency "gold standard" of the world. Essentially, if everything in the U.S. becomes worthless everything owned by foreign investors is in the toilet as well, and that's a lot. It's a domino effect. It's nice to know that when something this important hangs in the balance, our President takes a $4 million vacation to Hawaii on the taxpayer nickel, and all the other lawmakers on Capitol Hill decided to buzz off for a couple of weeks as well.

The more I read and the more I watch, the more it seems like Sandy Hook was a multi-offender operation. The "AR-15" recovered at the scene was actually taken from the trunk of a car reported to be Adam Lanza's, yet one astute observer ran the plates... it wasn't Lanza's car. The gun was not recovered inside the school, nor is there any evidence there was a semi-automatic long rifle of any kind at the scene. What about the gun in the trunk? Well, it appears it was a Saiga automatic 12-gauge. The action is in the wrong place, the magazine is far too wide, and the rounds ejected on film were too large to be for a rifle... and when was the last time you saw a rifle cartridge that was 75% plastic? What happened to the other 3 men subdued at the scene?

"Witchery, weakening... see the sheep are gathering,
Set the trap, hypnotize.
Now you follow."
 
Yup, sad but true. I don't believe anything I hear from the media anymore, even Fox. I try to get most of my info from the most non-compromised sources, really like the Drudge Report and PJTV and a few others.

With the shootings, Aurora and Newtown, there is soooo much that isn't be reported or even released by the police and especially by the media. Its all intentional, I have no doubt. Rile the sheeple up when it's advantageous otherwise maintain the calm. TC's sig line is very appropriate to describe what's happening in these times.
 
71ChargerRT said:
TC's sig line is very appropriate to describe what's happening in these times.
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I agree 100%. However, whenever someone calls him TC, I think of "Magnum, P.I." :D

I have had a spree killing happen less than a mile from my house. The accused and convicted shooter did, in fact, act alone. How do I know? Because he's still alive, for one thing. He even admitted to authorities that he'd planned to take out as many officers as he could once they showed, and then kill himself if they didn't get him first. He planned that, but these people are generally cowards. If you plan to die, why would you wear full body armor--including a ballistic mask in the case of the Aurora, CO "shooter"? Scott Johnson, whom I knew in passing in high school and was the shooter in the East Kingsford Train Bridge killings, wore no armor because he expected to die. Much like these recent killings, he was shooting at unarmed people--innocent kids who had no defense and were merely trying to cool off on a hot summer day in the Menominee River. He walked out of the woods, dropped his disassembled rifle, and was taken into custody without ever taking a shot at law enforcement.

There were a couple of yelps about gun control, but the media dropped it pretty quickly when they realized that, by and large, that was coming from a tiny minority. You tell folks around here that they can't have guns, you're going to have a serious problem in very short order.
 
Nope. It's your cliff Doc. I'm in Canada. I'm covered. And I've doubbled my portfolio since the last time things tanked south of our border.
As for the US shakin' things up here.... That dosen't impress much here, for me. Greece was shaking the markets up a little while ago. And on, and on...
Investors will make good either way.
How do you think I fund our race car?
 
As Jeff Lynne said, "Hold on tight to your dreams." The last time it tanked anywhere near this in the U.S. was 1929. I hope your investments are all in China, because if the Federal Reserve bites the dust, essentially the whole world goes with it.
 
Interesting conversation.

Demonstrates pretty clearly how difficult it is for lawmakers to limit access to potentially dangerous items from people who shouldn't have access them.

Where do you draw the line?

What are reasonable qualifications for firearms ownership?

What are reasonable grounds for denial of ownership?

And if indeed we, as suggested, restrict people on certain types of meds from firearm ownership......isn't that a form of "gun control?" And if we are doing that, why stop there? Why not restrict people with a history of drug & alcohol abuse as well? Or people with criminal convictions in their past, particularly of the violent sort? So where do we start. And where do we stop? Not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but who want's to be responsible for drawing those lines? I like to think that I'm not prone to extreme anger or rage - but I have had a couple episodes in my life that I'm not terribly proud of. Would that disqualify me from buying a gun? (I actually neither own nor do I desire to own any firearms.)

Tough decisions. And I'm afraid that none of our politicians from either side are up to the task of making those decisions. Unfortunately issues like this have come down to political ideologies rather than good common sense. Both the left and the right have become so polarized and so extremist that there is no hope ever of either side recognizing that the correct answer lies somewhere between their extreme points of view. Issues such as this are a clear demonstration of just how screwed we are at the hands of the self-serving cretins we have elected from any political party, left or right. Fiscal cliff? Forget it - none of these clowns care one little bit about the people who's interests they are supposed to be serving - they just careen ahead in pursuit of their own agenda.

We recently repealed a gun registry here in Canada that I believe would not have been a bad idea had it not been such a poorly managed, wasteful mess. But it was - and neither side will ever admit that the answer to the problem lay somewhere between the political rants that ultimately led to wasteful, pork barrel and ineffective gun registry, and then later it's cancellation....

We need some leadership folks - and we need it soon.
 
Well said, my friend. It is hard to draw the line, and determine where it should be. I sold my guns long ago, during my divorce, after voluntarily registering my pistol (which was ex-military and never registered anywhere previously). Why did I sell them? Because at least here in MI, standard operating procedure is that whomever is filing for divorce is immediately advised by their attorney to get a restraining order against their spouse. It's supposed to make you look bad in court. :jagoff: Every judge, attorney, and law-enforcement officer knows it's complete bullshit, but if you have a PPO (personal protection order) against you, you have to turn in your guns or sell them. So, if a PPO filed by my ex-wife comes up on my record, should I be denied gun ownership? Well, I don't think so... it's not like I ever attacked her. Hell, I wouldn't even call her. But the case could be made, right? "Why did she need one?"

I sold my .45 to a guy with an FFL, and brought the paperwork to the police which is enough for them--as long as you no longer own it. To my knowledge, both of my 12-gauge shotguns remain unregistered but I haven't seen either one in 15+ years. Hell, one of them was supposedly never even made... how do you register that? I sold them to interested parties, no documentation present or at that time necessary. I have no idea what became of them, and I don't care. The only one I actually wanted to buy was the Ithaca, simply because of its rarity. The 1100 was something my Dad won at a Ducks Unlimited banquet, and the .45ACP I took in trade for a car. I'm just not a huge gun person.

As far as leadership, I think a lot of politicians go in with good intentions, but we all know what the road to Hell is paved with, don't we? I think they get sucked into the machine. Want to see people get stuff done? Look at their first terms. They seem to start to slide after that. Limit politicians to one term only, take away their huge benefits packages, and ban lobbyists and PACs. Lead them not into temptation, so to speak. Limit campaign contributions and spending like Great Britain does (max spending is about $150,000) I think you'd see the cream rise to the top, as the people truly wanting to serve and accomplish actual changes would still go after it and people that want to be career pocket-liners would fail to see the reason for even running. Of course, the problem with that whole scenario that the only people that can make that the law is the politicians currently in office; I'm doubting a multi-term legislator would vote to cut himself off at the knees. Make it a national referendum, voted on by the populus rather than the electoral college? Great idea... it still has to get past the same clowns.

I think the Mayans were right. They did not predict the end of the world, rather the end of each of their time periods signified a time of great change in the world. I fear we are near either revolution or Novus Ordo Seclorum... The New Order of the Ages, also known as the New World Order.
 
Not A Duster said:
We need some leadership folks - and we need it soon.
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True. Now more than ever.

Unfortunately, at least on this side of the border, our choices are extremely limited. So limited, in fact, that it's more of a "who do I dislike the least, because that's who I'll vote for" kind of thing. If people vote at all... :(

Our biggest problem lies in the fact that goverments and media have done such a bang-up job of brainwashing us over the years, that people have forgotten that the goverment can be controlled by us, instead of us being controlled by it.

Fiscal Cliff? The US went over that a long time ago. They just haven't landed yet.
 
The only good politician is one that is elected by the people and is allowed to do what the people that elected them want them to. Up here it is too much of, okay they elected you but you will do what the paty tells you not what you electorate wants or you will be on the back benches and your area will not see any party support. Most politicians are dirty, lawyers or both.
 
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