Gun control

I'm not trying to vilify you, man. No, the shot had no capability of hurting anyone other than the dog's hearing--I get that. The argument could be made, playing devil's advocate, what if it were a nagging wife of a screaming baby that made you snap the way you did that night?

I remember the thoughts I had when I was going through my divorce, and I'll be honest... there were a few instances in which I may well have shot her when we were arguing. It got that emotional. When I got my guns back, I sold my .45 and my extremely-rare Ithaca Deerslayer and gave the Remington 1100 to my brother. I have not owned a gun since because I know I'm given to emotional extremes. So be it; I recognize that about myself and so I choose not to own guns for that reason alone. I've never been under psychiatric care and my time on meds came well after I owned guns.

Want me to fight alongside you in a battle? Want to go hunting? Hand me a gun. I'm all about it for hunting and defense and will fight to the death in such an instance. Do I want one in my home all the time? No. I know how I get, and it's not a good idea.
 
v8440 said:
I'm sorry, but there is a distinction between firing a gun into the ground to shut a dog up and firing a shot that goes who-knows-where. You know that perfectly well-anyone with a functioning brain does. If you doubt this, pretend for a minute that I had fired a shot horizontally that just happened to not kill anyone. What would your reaction be? Would it be a bit stronger? I submit that it would. Was it irresponsible? Yes. I haven't denied that-in fact, I agreed with you when you first posted something to that effect in the original thread. But, I won't pretend that it's anything like firing a random shot that could have hit something or somebody. It has a nice ring to it, but factually it's just not remotely the same level of danger. In fact, barring a gun malfunction that could happen at a gun range, there's practically no danger.
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Ultimately the whole issue could have been resovled with a quick call to Law Enforcement and you would never have anyone criticize what you did. It was toltally irresponsible to fire the gun in public no matter whether it was into the ground or not.
Someone within earshot or close range could have responded with a shot of their own, only from hearing a shot close by. There are enough of the tough guys around that would rather shoot first and get answers later. Thank God you did not end up with that target on you that night, but could have!
 
Back on topic, I've been thinking about this a bunch lately. Here's my take. If I were doing a state budget, deciding where money should be spent, I would look at expenditures on teachers. After looking at all of said expenditures, step two would be to trim, and spend the savings on advanced weapons training and yearly re certification, right alongside law enforcement. "Oh, you're a teacher who doesn't believe in doing everything possible to protect yourself and the children in your class? Goodbye, I hear it's nice in San Francisco." No exceptions. Evil people are not stupid people. They will not go on a shooting rampage in a place they know they'll get their ass shot off. They know full well that if they go to a "gun free zone", they have a minimum of five minutes of free time to kill before the police show up. My sister's husband is a cop, and I quote him, "We are armed to protect ourselves, not to protect you. Ultimately, that's your responsibility. We just provide backup when necessary". That quote sums it up for me.
 
JC...just read your post after posting mine. I was saying this very thing to my wife this afternoon over lunch. She didn't think it was a good idea though. But also think of the "respect" those little $hits in school today would have. Kids would probably have better grades too as a result of fearing to goof off.
 
I think it's a fantastic idea. If a teacher isn't willing to toss lead to protect the children we put in their care, they're not worth paying. Unfortunately, most are not.:(
 
I just have one more thing to add. If you encounter anyone calling for disarming, ask them if they've ever smoked weed. If they say yes, you can then explain in great detail how they're not remotely qualified to argue the benefits of prohibition. Try it, it's fun.:)
 
The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.


Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a motive and a link. This coincidence is impossible to overlook. Two mass shootings connected to LIBOR.

examiner.comFLASHarticle/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify
 
J.C. Corbett said:
I think it's a fantastic idea. If a teacher isn't willing to toss lead to protect the children we put in their care, they're not worth paying. Unfortunately, most are not.:(
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I agree with most everything that's been said in here already. However, JC, your original thoughts are great in theory but living in a college town with a university that churns out teachers by the dozen, I know a couple more than a few and most I wouldn't want to own a wiffle bat much less a gun...
 
J.C. Corbett said:
I just have one more thing to add. If you encounter anyone calling for disarming, ask them if they've ever smoked weed. If they say yes, you can then explain in great detail how they're not remotely qualified to argue the benefits of prohibition. Try it, it's fun.:)
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Dr.Jass said:
You have no idea how much fun I'm having on Facebook with that, J.C....
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J.C. Corbett said:
Glad I could help.:) Now, off to FB to chime in on your posts.
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Now that's funny right there...something to keep in mind when arguments arise. :D
 
We have heard of teachers protecting kids with their bodies at these school shootings, be nice to give them something a little more effective. The will is there for at least some, better than defensless teachers trying to defend defensless children.


You guys on facebook? I'm Tom Roue on facebook, friend me if you wish. But mostly what you'll see is rescue dog related. I avoid the political for the most part, but you guys might goad me into a comment or two. :toot:
 
Mopar440_6 said:
I agree with most everything that's been said in here already. However, JC, your original thoughts are great in theory but living in a college town with a university that churns out teachers by the dozen, I know a couple more than a few and most I wouldn't want to own a wiffle bat much less a gun...
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I'm a college grad, and have seen exactly what you're talking about. The greater context of my point is that it's time to take a long look at who we're trusting our kids with. If someone who wants to teach is too squeamish to protect those put in their care, then they need to be denied a teaching degree. That may seem harsh, but if you're not willing to protect the kids in your class, don't let the door hit you in the fuckin' ass on your way out. Plenty of others are perfectly willing to protect. It's time to reverse our country's weenie culture.
 
J.C. Corbett said:
It's time to reverse our country's weenie culture.
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Agreed, 100%.

A good friend of mine has a CCW. He's an active, upstanding member of the community, and when he's not working he's usually carrying (he has one at work, but it gets in the way so he shelves it nearby). We were in the local mom-and-pop grocery one day, and the cashier got all flighty because she could see the bottom of his holstered 9mm poking out below his jacket. "Guns make me nervous." She's known this guy for years. All he said to her was, "You know me, and you'd be damned happy I had it if someone came through that door and tried to rob this place right now." She calmed right down... apparently it never occurred to her to think of it that way. :doh:
 
Gun control is definitely NOT the answer. A move away from control is a move closer to a solution.

Here are some instances that were never big news in the media, but they show a solution to deter or at least bring a short end to the massacres;

On Dec. 9, 2007, a 24-year-old gunman named Matthew Murray launched an attack on the congregants of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs that left two victims dead. A former police officer, Jeanne Assam, a member of the security team for the church, shot Murray 10 times, killing him, as he was shooting at her. Murray had killed four others at a church 70 miles away earlier in the day.

On July 24, 2012, Richard Gable Stevens rented a rifle at a shooting range in Santa Clara, Calif., and herded three employees out the door, saying he intended to kill them. One of the employees, however, was carrying a .45-caliber handgun and shot the assailant.

On Dec. 17, 1991, two men armed with stolen pistols herded 20 customers and employees of a Shoney’s restaurant in Anniston, Ala., into a walk-in refrigerator and locked it so they could rob the establishment. However, one customer was armed with a .45-caliber handgun hidden under a table. He shot one of the gunmen dead. The other robber, who was holding the manager of the restaurant at gunpoint, began firing at the customer. But he was wounded critically by return fire, ending the incident.

On July 13, 2009, an armed man entered the Golden Food Market in south Richmond, shooting and wounding a clerk while firing at store patrons. He was shot by another customer who had a concealed-carry permit, likely saving the lives of eight other people in the store.
On July 29, 2012, Charles Conner shot and killed two people and their dogs at the Peach Tree RV park in Early, Texas. Vic Stacy got a call from one of the neighbors, got his .357 magnum and shot Conner in the leg. Police arrived before any further killings could take place.

 
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