Gun control

restoman said:
True. Now more than ever.

Unfortunately, at least on this side of the border, our choices are extremely limited. So limited, in fact, that it's more of a "who do I dislike the least, because that's who I'll vote for" kind of thing. If people vote at all... :(

Our biggest problem lies in the fact that goverments and media have done such a bang-up job of brainwashing us over the years, that people have forgotten that the goverment can be controlled by us, instead of us being controlled by it.

Fiscal Cliff? The US went over that a long time ago. They just haven't landed yet.
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You're one of the few to realize that.
From a Canadian view; and we do watch American politics, is that you need a THIRD PARTY. Someone who can break these stalemates.
And no. I'm not invested in China. At least not knowingly. I do not stray outside the northamerican borders...........
 
Foggy said:
From a Canadian view; and we do watch American politics, is that you need a THIRD PARTY. Someone who can break these stalemates.
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Problem is, our third party recently lost the best leader it's ever had, and there is no one else to step up to the plate. They were beginning to look like a decent alternative until he died. Now, not so much.

It doesn't much matter where your investments are. If the US fails, we're all in deep shit.
 
Not all of us Resto. Yin and Yang. For every loss, there is a gain. You just have to take advantage of opertunities....................
 
With the US argueably being the world's largest economy - stagnant or not - and the US dollar being the world standard, only hugely wealthy countries will have any opportunities, and they'll be extremely slim.
Since that means China (at least on paper), and they hold the majority of US debt, the wealth they currently hold, on paper, won't be worth the paper it's written on so to speak. Owning something that's worthless, ya know...?
If the US fails, we're not talking about picking up some bargains when the economy slows down. We're talking large scale economic collapse like we've never seen before.

My $.02 worth. :)
 
Exactly right, Restoman. Money is based on faith that it is worth something, and in the case of a lot of foreign currency, that value is based on the American dollar. If the U.S. economy and the Federal Reserve tank, all your money will be good for is starting the wood stove.
 
restoman said:
Problem is, our third party recently lost the best leader it's ever had, and there is no one else to step up to the plate. They were beginning to look like a decent alternative until he died. Now, not so much.
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I'm assuming you are speaking of Jack Layton. In my opinion, the party he represented are exactly what I was talking about.

As nice a guy as Jack may have been, the New Democratic Party represents an extreme far-left ideology which has more in common with China or the former Soviet Union than it does Western Democratic society. There is absolutely nothing reasonable or middle - ground about the NDP - they represent the left's point of view completely: Powerful trade unions, High taxes, Wasteful social programs, Government ownership and control of business, Extreme environmentalism and so on.

Of course our current Conservative government represent the extreme opposite perspective: big business, big banks, and very little concern about people... y'know - them pesky human beings....at least until election time rolls around. Make no mistake - I am very much a "free enterprise" kinda guy, and I believe strongly that people who work hard and take greater risks in life should partake in greater rewards than those who do not. But the Harper Reform/Alliance/Conservatives take it way too far for me.

The Liberal party, which kinda used to be a centrist party now just floats back and forth between the two extremes, trying to figure out which one will buy them the most votes so that they can perhaps become relevant again someday....

Provincially, Saskatchewan has suffered through decades of bouncing between far-left (New Democratic Party) and far-right (Conservative/SaskParty) governments who each push their own ideological agenda while applying a "scorched earth" policy to anything good the other guys may have accomplished while in power. I will say tho - I sure don't want to go through another NDP led era where government owns everything of value, and investment in the Province is discouraged. We are finally just now getting an economy back here....we just have to keep an eye on the Saskparty guys currently no power to make sure the same old mistakes made in the past are not repeated. There's been a few recently -
 
Yeah, we had a NDP goverment here in the 90s. It didn't work so well, to put it lightly. Now, that former Premiere is playing for another team.
But, with that third party looking like it would garner some big support, it tends to keep those other assholes in line a little. When Layton passed - and I was not a supporter of the NDP - any hope of that party offering any competition to the PCs and Liberals went out the window.
Now, we're back to the "who do I dislike the least" type of voting. :(
 
If you destroy a country's economy and take away their ability to overthrow a corrupt system, you will end up with a nation of slaves that will be happy to get any table scrap the government will give them. Think about it.

This is the current mindset of the U.S. federal government regardless of party; our Constitution be damned. As I said, I believe this country is headed toward either revolution or the subjects of the New World Order, as dictated by the U.N. Though I have no firearms, I still prefer to take the Patrick Henry approach.
 
Foggy said:
I give up. I tried.
You guys have a good New Years, anyway.
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How did you try? By being cryptic about your investments?

I'd love to hear your strategy. Perhaps I could pass it on to my family, several of whom have portfolios with 7 or 8 digits to the left of the decimal point and two of whom have Master's Degrees in finance, because long-term they're all shitting bricks right about now. I bet my uncle, the former broker and the wealthiest of the bunch, would love to hear this solution. He made a lot of that money for the others in my family solely by giving them advice.
 
I'm not being 'cryptic'. And I don't care what your family is worth etc. And I don't care if they're financial wizards. That does not impress me one wit.
I simply said that I'm doing fine, and I take advantage of opertunities. And I'm up nearly 100% on my investments. Was more but I got greedy.
Now I'm done, and you can put in that last word that you always do.
 
Guess the point Mr. Foggy, is that one cannot take advantage of opportunities if there are none there to take advantage of. Like it or not the Canadian economy is inexorably attached to that of the United States, despite recent attempts to diversify our trading partners with the likes of Communist China.

If the U.S. goes down in the manner described in the media ,we will have no choice but to follow to a great extent. Yes, the last crash did prove that we are somewhat insulated due to our financial & banking sector being less corrupt than that in the U.S. This is mostly because we do a better job of controlling our banks behavior through stricter regulations. (IMO, this is why the likes of Conrad Black go to the U.S. to play their dirty games.) But even so, the dire situations being described with this "fiscal cliff" will certainly have an effect on us...and our investments.

If indeed you have been able to insulate yourself from such effects - good for you. But there are an awful lot of other people who maybe are not so fortunate and are watching what's going on south of the border with great concern.
 
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You are being cryptic, Fogman. Share your secrets, rather than just saying that they're superior to everyone else's. Hell, if they're so effective, there will be a mad rush on them, which would only drive up the value of your own investments. Any shrewd investor knows that.

The problem is that during the last "fiscal cliff" situation, the United States turned over monetary control to the Federal Reserve. Despite its name, it is not government-controlled. It has very little, if any, accountability to the government overall. When America sends billions of dollars in aid to countries that would just as soon see us dead, it's the government and the Federal Reserve dancing together... both have the option to step out but neither does. If and when our government--I will not blame one man, they're all in on it--collapses our economy and therefore the value of the dollar, that aid means very little. Worldwide inflation ensues because everything suddenly becomes worth more of the devalued dollars we send virtually everywhere. It's global collapse of the highest order, which is what I believe many of the other nations of the world desire. The U.N. wants our guns taken, and the U.S. government seems hell-bent on crashing the economy; not just ours but everyone's to whom we send assistance.

I am really anxious for the results of the hearing to be held on Thursday. Virtually every bill signed into law under Obama's regime could be overturned.

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Obama's supposed birth certificate and SSN have both been proven and certified to be fraudulent. We'll see where the judge stands.
 
You are such a dink.
And I tire of you calling me a liar.
So here it is. And possibly, even your limited wit, can pick up on what I'm saying.
No where did I say my investment strategies were supperior. I merely said, in passing that I was doing fine. I said I was fairing pretty well, even with the markets going sideways.
For your information, that I give freely now, because I feel sorry for your ignorant ass, that I went up again, in the last
two days of trading. I don't invest in stocks of huge companies, that make huge profits, and give little, or
nothing back to the investor, unless of course, the investor sells. And I invest in inflation. I collect dividends along the way. And if I decide that the company is stagnant or may begin to lose traction, I ease out of it.
Chew on that, though I'm sure you'll call that 'cryptic, or that I'm lying. I don't care. I'll just go into work tomorrow and make my 45.67 an hour, straight time, and watch my pot grow. If no one chooses to believe me............ well, their loss.
Some people just don't want a possitive spin on difficult times.
Enjoy 2013. I will.
 
I don't call that cryptic at all. That's pretty straightforward, right down to the name-calling. I still fail to see how this is some way of being recession-proof.

I never once called you a liar. I asked a question, and until your last post you avoided commenting in a detailed manner about it. Now you have, and there's nothing clever or insular about it. I'm unemployed, and you have a great-paying job and investments that are supplementing it. I'm not jealous; in fact I'm very glad that things are going well for you. In fact, I hope that continues for you and your family. You might think I don't like you, but that's not the case at all. The only point about some of my extended family's success I was trying to make was that they have invested well, made millions, and they're shaking like a dog shitting razor blades at this point because if the dollar fails, all those digits mean nothing. Will I ever see any of that money? No. Does that bother me? No. I didn't EARN it. Obviously, you're earning it and doing well. On that, I congratulate you.

The simple fact is that if the U.S. economy, and therefore the U.S. dollar, collapses, much of the world goes with it. Simple economics. Yes, the Canadian dollar will skyrocket in comparison to ours, but what will that be worth? When the billions of dollars our idiotic government sends all over the world are suddenly worthless, what happens to prices of imported goods? Is Canada self-sufficient in crude? Do you guys make all your own electronics? Have you got your own car companies?

I'm not trying to be an asshole to you, Foggy. If you think I am, I apologize sincerely. This is just the reality of the world economy at the moment, and in my opinion it's exactly what the U.N. and much of the world want.... Novus Ordo Seclorum.
 
A intelligent discussion between people is one thing guys. When That discussion gets misinterpreted by one side or the other, feelings get hurt and that discussion turns into bickering and arguing that no good will come from. Lets get back on topic and remain friends!
 
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