Universal Hurst shifter rods & levers

mopar_man

Good time party boy
It's been awhile but I'm finally slowly back into working on my car. After helping my dad convert his Mustang to a 4-speed this winter, I've got the itch to do mine as well. The original e-body shifter rods aren't cheap (apparently the reproduction ones bend?) and I found this set. Has anyone ever used them with any kind of success?
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Those are Super Shifter rods, if memory serves. You need to mount the shifter mechanism very high in order to use them, which means serious floorpan hackery, a stock console is out of the question, and you may need a sunroof depending on which stick you use. :D The reason the shifter needs to go up so far is because your reverse rod now must go over the transmission crossmember, rather than below it. Also, the 1-2 and 3-4 rods can't be in the same horizontal plane because they'll hit each other. Yes, the levers on the shifter are offset, but the ones on the transmission are not.

Now that we've established that you probably don't want these, I've got to wonder exactly how people are bending solid steel rods. Powershifting? OK, I can see that happening with misadjusted linkage, and I really don't want to see what their synchros look like if that's what they're using as a stop when they're jamming the gear lever with entirely too much force. These are the same guys that yank the lever out of bayonet-style shifters.

If you're going to drive your car hard, it takes about 20 minutes and a couple of drill bits to make the setup bulletproof and virtually ensure you won't bend the linkage. Anyone with a four-speed can learn from this if they don't already know it, so continue reading...

  • 1. With the shifter mechanism out of the car, remove the handle and place the mechanism in a vise. On virtually every Hurst shifter I've ever seen, on the front and back sides of the housing there is an indentation. Center-punch that indentation on both sides so you can drill accurately, then push the stick mount "into gear" in the same direction as the side you're about to drill. Drill and tap those indentations for two 3/8" coarse-thread bolts, 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" will do. Coating the drill bit and tap with Vaseline will help keep the shavings out of the mechanism. Thoroughly clean the shifter, and if desired spray some kind of aerosol lube into it while working it back and forth while still in the vise.
  • 2. With the car safely supported on jackstands, reinstall the shifter mechanism to the transmission without the handle, but don't connect the linkage yet. With the shifter in neutral, you will see an alignment notch in the bottom edges of the sides of the shifter body, which align with holes in the shift arms. I don't have a shifter in front of me at the moment, but if memory serves it's for a 1/8" alignment pin, or as I like to call it, "drill bit." Insert the drill bit through the notch, all three shifter arms, and then the notch on the other side. It'll take a little wiggling, but once the drill bit is in place your shifter is in absolute neutral.
  • 3. Install your shift linkage, making sure each transmission lever is in neutral with no load against it (if there is, you've got issues inside). Install the fixed ends first, then use the threaded swivels to get each rod so the swivel's pin will go through the shift arm with the least amount of resistance. If you think you're going to have the shift rods out a lot, you can use some low-strength threadlocker on the threads so the rods will stay adjusted. Install your clips, and you're done with the linkage. It's adjusted better than the factory did it. Remove your drill bit or alignment rod.
  • 4. Install your shifter handle without the boot, and gently place the car in first gear. Get under the car, and make sure that the linkage rod is not bound tightly. You should be able to easily wiggle it. If not, see the note in bold type below. If so, get back topside and run a 3/8" grade 8 nut all the way up each of your bolts from Step 1. No need to tighten it, it just needs to be out of the way. Apply some weak threadlocker in the threaded hole at the rear of the shifter, and thread a bolt/nut assembly in until the end of the bolt touches the bottom part of the handle mount inside the mechanism (it'll be below the pivot pin). Thread the bolt in about 1/2 turn further. Apply some weak threadlocker on the bolt's threads where it meets the shifter body. Keep the bolt from turning and thread the nut down to the shifter body. Hold the bolt with a wrench and use another wrench to tighten the nut snugly against the shifter body.
  • 5. Now, put the car gently into second gear, check your linkage again, and repeat the bolt installation procedure from Step 4, obviously installing the bolt in the front hole this time.
  • 6. Check your linkage-rod play in third and fourth gears to make sure that rod does not bind with the bolts at their current depth. If it does, find the problem and rectify it.
There! You've just installed & adjusted shifter stop bolts, as were used in virtually all aftermarket Hurst shifters for many years. No bashing the synchros, no unnecessary stress on your linkage rods. If your parts are in good condition you'll fall in love with your four-speed all over again, doubly so if you have bushed linkage (I prefer the steel bushings, but the nylon ones are an improvement over nothing). The bolts and therefore the shifter takes the brunt of your hammer-jockey driving style, but even on normal shifts you'll appreciate the positive feel of a solid stop. You could have shift rods made from 3/8" steel fuel line and not bend them.

So, with that knowledge in your thought bucket, you can go ahead and order these gems from a fellow maple-flagger at a reasonable price, and have a factory-engineered setup under the tunnel with no worries of bending or failure. Get cuttin'... you've got a manual transmission to install! :dance:

***NOTE: If you do not have matched parts the above procedure may not work for you. Generally speaking, the transmission levers are critical and need to be the right ones for the transmission. Hurst shifter mechanisms are a little more forgiving, but not perfect and your linkage rods may not account for differently-shaped mechanism arms (curved v. straight, etc.). Simply put, if you can't get the linkage rods installed with the drill bit in place, something's wrong and you need to replace whatever's causing the issue. Old Hurst catalogs had a pretty thorough listing of mechanisms with line drawings that referenced the models they fit. If you can't find that resource, just keep an eye on eBay. Original mechanisms pop up pretty often and you'll get an idea of what you're seeking if nothing else.
 
OK, that's not the 20-minute procedure, that's the whole damned enchilada. The 20-minute version is just to install the stop bolts with the shifter in the car... but hey, why not do it the right way if you know how, right?
 
That's a fantastic how-to. Thanks! :clap: I appreciate the link too. That's cheaper than I was finding them from the U.S..
 
Dude, they're cheaper for us than the ones in the U.S. too!

I would've included pictures, but my garage is currently a furniture storage warehouse and strangely enough I don't have any transmission stuff in the house except a couple of bellhousings in the basement. :D
 
...except a couple of bellhousings in the basement. :D

I've started looking at different options to conquer my goal and I've found a bare transmission in Kentucky that I've asked Stretch about to see if he could grab enroute to Alabama. Would you be willing to part with one of your bellhousings?
 
Unfortunately, no. I need both of the ones I have; one for the Imperial and the other for the Challenger. Stretch will not have time to pick up the transmission on the way to Alabama; we're going to drive straight through. That's 16 hours straight in the truck. I'm sorry, but we don't have time to go gallivanting around Kentucky to pick up a transmission. I don't think either Stretch or Trent are quite aware of the magnitude of the work we have to do once we're there. It's not just winch a car into a trailer and turn around. If that were the case I've had gotten the a month ago.
 
I know there is a ton of parts to load as well. I can get Monday off to if we need it but I'd really rather not.
 
No problem. It was worth a shot on both counts. It sounds like you picked up quite a project there!
 
To say the least... I still don't know if we'll be able to fit everything, but damn it I'm going to try.
 
Just make sure whatever bell you do get either already has the correct pilot hole for the front bearing retainer, or at least that a bearing retainer that fits the bellhousing you get is available, Mopar_man. The OD trans has a 5.125" pilot on the bearing retainer; most close-ratio transmissions you'll find that will work are 4.80" as are all the bellhousings suitable to your application (the '69-'74 aluminum ones). In most, but not all, cases the bearing retainer can be swapped between the two but that's not always the case... double-check the bolt circle.

As I suspected, the transmission would've been impossible due to the amount of parts that came with the Challenger I bought, which is nothing short of staggering. The other problem is that we barely hit Kentucky, just nipping through the western end of the state really, which is not the route anyone would've expected us to take. If you'd have made arrangements to buy that trans, you'd be in a real pickle right about now because I'm not going on any road trips again any time soon. :D
 
No worries about the transmission. I cleared it through you guys before I was going to bid. I'll find one somewhere.

As for the bellhousings, the ones Dippy has OD ones so with information, I can use one of his with a regular 833 once I find one. Now, he's got a flywheel too but he's unsure what year it's from. All he knows is that it's from a 360. I've got a '70 340. Will that work with it?
 
No, it will not. 360 flywheels only work on 360s, and 5.9L Magnums don't interchange with those. The 340 is internal balance like the 318, which makes your search a whole lot easier... unless an iron crank found its way into your engine, in which case you need a '73 340 flywheel. That's its own external balance different from all other Chrysler V8s. :doh: I have the machining specs to balance a 318 flywheel to it, though. All the aluminum small-block bellhousings use the same flywheel size, which is for a 10.5" clutch and has 130 teeth.

I bought an AMS 167409 neutral-balance flywheel (to have balanced for my 360) from RockAuto for about $68+shipping. If your car is still sporting the steel crank, then it would work for your application as-is. There's a 5% discount code for Rock in the parts suppliers section, or if that one's gone I can dig one up for you. Yeah, shipping's going to be a bitch but I suspect it's still better than finding a used, stress-cracked beater that needs resurfacing (which is about $65 here). Obviously, this is not some go-to-hell, SFI-approved race unit; it's just a stock replacement flywheel... good enough for what I'm doing with the 360, anyhow, and I don't plan to keep that engine anyhow. :D

If you buy a close-ratio transmission and end up with one of Dippy's bellhousings, I'll swap you straight across for the large-pilot bearing retainer you'd need. Ship me the one you have, and I'll ship you the one you need. As it happens, I need the smaller one for my bellhousings, and I'm definitely running an OD trans in the Imperial and possibly another one in the Challenger. I won't swap the bellhousings, though, as the ones I have are complete with inspection covers, pivots, and forks so I already have a known, proven combo in hand. I don't want to mess with that.
 
Neutral-balance flywheels are not too pricy locally if you shop around a bit. Think I actually bought mine from auto-value...
 
If you buy a close-ratio transmission and end up with one of Dippy's bellhousings, I'll swap you straight across for the large-pilot bearing retainer you'd need. Ship me the one you have, and I'll ship you the one you need.

You have a deal. That's if I end up finding a non-OD transmission. I missed out on an OD one with the right tailshaft in Alberta for $200. Or there's a non-OD unit for $800. :doubt:
 
I have a 318 flywheel too.

I also have a Hurst Competition II shifter as well.

All the rods, brackets etc.
 
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I also have a Hurst Competition II shifter as well.

All the rods, brackets etc.
For an E-body? The only linkage that will work on mopar_man's car is E-body/'71-'74 B-body w/console. Nothing else works; that was the only application that used the rear shifter mount on the long tailshaft housing. That position wasn't even drilled & tapped on most OD truck transmissions.
 

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