Sunday morning motherlode

Dr.Jass

Pastor of Muppets
Last week 71ChargerR/T sent me pics of his '69 Valiant via phone. I didn't get them immediately because I was on the phone with a friend that made an offhand comment, coincidentally regarding another '69 Valiant--this one local.

I knew of the car; in fact I almost bought it 15 years ago and missed it by literally 2 hours. I saw it around here and there for awhile, and I knew where it was, but I was under the impression it was a pet project that wasn't going anywhere so I never bothered asking about it. Well, he told me the guy was interested in selling it, and the last official price he'd heard was $2,000 for the car and all the attending parts. He told me, "You could probably offer him half of that. He seems like he wants it gone."

This morning I went and looked at it with cash in my pocket. Sure enough, it was one of the Three Ds: Death, Divorce or Desperation. In this case, Divorce. And what was there was a gold mine. I felt guilty offering the guy a grand, but not so guilty that I was going to whip out all my money and throw it at him, either. :naughty:

The car is a '69 Valiant Signet (the most-expensive Valiant, which is to say still a cheap ride), 198 Slant Six, column automatic. Manual drums, power steering, tinted glass :wtf: , no AC, white with a black top and blue interior. While mostly clean, and with a nice interior other than a cracked dash pad, it has some rust in the driver's side front rail between the trans crossmember and the control-arm area. It really wouldn't be that tough to fix, though, and the rest of the frame looks pretty good. For a car in this area, it's in very good shape. Minimal rust in the trunk extensions, a little over the rear wheelwells, and that's really about it. He drove the car into the garage, and it's now sitting on jackstands. He said though the car had oil pressure and ran, there was no oil getting to the top end and the valvetrain was loud. :hmmm: The valve cover is off and the distributor is out.

But the parts... oh, the parts that came with it are what interested me, and seeing them had me drooling. Included in the purchase price were:

  • A complete 1969 340 engine, coincidentally previously owned by my best friend from high school. It was the engine that was in his '74 'Cuda when he wrecked it (I was in the car at the time).
  • A complete, drum-to-drum A-body 8.75" rear axle, 741 center with a 2.76:1 tag still on it. I did not see a Sure Grip tag so I assume it's an open, but the hard-to-find flared drums are still with it.
  • A spindle-to-spindle big-bolt disc front end with the desirable spool-mount V8 K-member. Missing one caliper and one rotor, but otherwise still a complete assembly.
  • A matching set of small-bolt 14" Ansen Sprints. I didn't look real closely at all of them but the one I inspected was not unilug. It was A-body specific.
  • A set of new headers he was saving for the 340 swap.
  • A set of 10" front drum brakes; the originals are 9".
Of course I bought it. I'll be picking it up next Saturday and need to make arrangements as to where I'm going to put it in the meantime. I'll figure that out during the week.

I have too many projects already and no interest in the car, so the only plan for this acquisition is to profit greatly from it. I plan on keeping the 340, but the rest is going away. I actually had someone already interested in the car itself prior to my even leaving the house.

Really not a bad way to spend a Sunday morning and $1,200 in my opinion. :dance:

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Not a car that I would want, but a really good score regardless... I'm sure someone will want to show it some love.

Nicely done. All I ever find is worn out rusty garbage people want a fortune for....
 
Not a car that I would want, but a really good score regardless...
15 years ago I had a vision for this exact car, but now I'm not particularly interested in it anymore. It's definitely a cool little ride, but I really can't think of what I'd do with it these days anyhow. Being a post coupe, it's the lightest and strongest A-body chassis, but anything I'd want to do with this I'm already doing elsewhere. Great sleeper material, obviously, but it's just not my cup of tea anymore so down the road it'll go.
 
Well, if they're not going to fix it they should probably sell it. No point in having a car with a blown motor. :D
 
oooooo once apon a time id have KILLED for the wheels....i have exactly 1 and your right NON unilug a body only and if im not mistaken requires the crager ss mag nuts as they are the ONLY company still making a mag nut for the a body tiny studs

looks like a nice enuf car..but your right...WTF would you do with it..twin turbo nastyness?

forgive me on this one ..but...what good is a big bolt disc front if the 8 3/4 A unit is small bolt?.....

round here you would have got just the car of just the parts for that price never both..even in a triple D problem
 
Wow. My old Swinger would probably love the 340 and small bolt pattern rear end. Good score!
 
Well, the axle is for sale, but the 340 goes nowhere. I hoard 340 shortblocks, X/J heads, and every LA steel crank I can find. :D

Six and a half hours into ownership and I have four offers, three people inquiring "what are you asking?" as well as two more fellas lamenting "I wish I had some money". Methinks this should be a pretty easy flip. :dance:
 
It'll be nice to put messing-with-cars money back into my bank account. That hasn't happened in a long time. :D
 
Awesome score Doc!

Signet huh? Mine's a 100, similarly optioned though, without the vinyl, THANK GOD!!

That's a big money rear right there, even open diff I see them $700-800.
 
The biggest difference between the 100 and the Signet is the level of "luxury" interior-wise; things like carpet (there's even a new set still in the box in the back seat, probably mouse-eaten), color-keyed seatbelts, etc. Plus it has all that extra fancy-pants chrome on the outside around the windows. Minor stuff, really... and all extra weight when building a sleeper. The roof looks to be pretty good under the vinyl, which is lifted at one corner, but I'm not investigating further since it's not my concern. That's the next guy's worry. I don't think it's the original vinyl, though. It's really a nice little start for a hot rod. If it tickled my fancy more than one of the cars I already have, I'd probably keep it. But I don't expect I'll still own it three weeks from now, if even that long. Had I brought it home today, I might already have sold it. My phone and FB private messages were blowing up literally all afternoon.

I know what guys ask for A-body 8.75" axles, and I'll probably ask a similar number. But I don't want to sit on the thing for a year, either. I have a "firm" number in my head, but it doesn't hurt to start high and let people chisel me down to it. Everyone's happy that way. :D
 
In 2008, I got $250 for a bare 8.75 A body housing... likely could have gotten more but cash in the hand is hard to refuse...
I got it for free.
 
round here youd easily pay 500$ for a bare a housing..not even a backing plate or axle...700-1k is the norm for one WITHOUT center(and useualy gone or trashed drums)..add a center and your up to 1200 or more
 
The main point of this thread, for those who didn't see it in TheCopperCock's engine thread, is that deals are still out there. I'm right along with you guys when I bitch about the detrimental effect Barrett-Jackson and Mecum have had on the hobby, but I'm not some kind of magical Mopar magnet at whom this shit gets thrown left and right either. No, it's not a 340 Swinger or an A12 Road Runner, but it's a neat old car in decent shape that came with a bunch of cool shit. I got it at a near-criminal price. Why? Because people know I'm a Mopar (or at least old car) guy. Not just people in general, but the right people. I know guys like the board members here in real life. I'm not even as close a friend to some of them as I am with guys on this forum whom I've never actually met, but they still know me enough to know who I am and think of me. In this case it was a close personal friend, but that's not always the case. 71ChargerR/T picked up his '69 Valiant inexpensively too, only a week prior to my acquisition. That was a score too, and he probably got it because he knew a guy that knew a guy.

Put feelers out there, check up on rumors, and follow leads. If you're serious about buying it make sure you're in a position to do so when the chance arises, because I guarantee you it will. Probably not tomorrow, likely not next week. It might take a year or even longer, but it will happen. I've started a lot of "Score!" related threads on cars and parts over the years, but make no mistake: I've missed out on a ton of scores too because I simply was not in a position to jump on them. That's just life, but I never quit and I never lifted my ear from the ground.

round here youd easily pay 500$ for a bare a housing..not even a backing plate or axle...700-1k is the norm for one WITHOUT center(and useualy gone or trashed drums)..add a center and your up to 1200 or more
A bare housing sold for $595 on eBay in November. I'd like to say that's criminal, but someone either bid it to that or hit "Buy it Now", so apparently it's simply the state of the hobby. I'm not gonna demand $1,000 for this axle but I'm not going to give it away, either.
 
Stopped by the car wash on the way home with it this afternoon. They sit funny when most of the 340 is sitting in the wrong end of the car.

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another time id be beating on your door for the wheels..but the car i wanted them for is gone.....slots look best on WHITE a bodys
 

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