Puff the Tragic Wagon

Dr.Jass

Pastor of Muppets
Well, Stretch and I got the old girl moved last night. It's pretty solid underneath, but the body's rough and she's been picked over pretty hard. This was a manual-transmission car, but the pedals are gone. :( Most of the trim is pretty beat but there are some bits and pieces in the interior, along with an almost-perfect grille still out front. Inside the car I found '61-'61 Dodge pushbutton shifter, floor-shift '73-up B-body tilt column, what I imagine was the clutch from the car (it still looks in really good condition), and there's a bunch more stuff I need to dig through. It's only a 6-passenger model, and the rear cargo floor is smashed in pretty badly from underneath. The fuel tank and filler neck are gone. The rear axle has already been replaced with a later-model flanged-axle 8.75", which is of course a big plus. Another big plus is that the fullsize wagons remained very much the same from 1961-'64 so much of what would be needed wouldn't be too terrible to souce. The '61-specific stuff, though, would likely be a nightmare.

IF (notice that's a really-big "if") I were to attempt anything with this car, the first thing I'd do would be to use an F/M/J-body front suspension. It's not optimum but this ain't exactly drag-car or road-course material in the first place (and I have a spare, so...). This thing is freaking huge; it's 18+ feet long. It would be a great cruiser but that's about it. I'd just go ahead and use whatever axle's under the rear (pretty sure it's a C-body); it's complete with brakes and looks to be a good fit. Since the pedals are gone, the transmission's up in the air; arguably a manual would be easier because the pushbuttons are Plymouth-specific whereas the pedals interchange among all full-size models, at least '60-'64.

Clearly I've given this way too much thought already, and it could go no further than being parted; I'm really not sure. But hey... right now it's safely nestled at the boss' junkyard for the time being where no evil will come to it. :dance:

Oh, yeah... the funky stance? Check out what's left of the rear leaf spring. That sucked exploded en route and all those leaves you see? The other halves of them are God knows where now. :doh: It was a sound strangely reminiscent of when the trunk let go in my Challenger back in '88--a loud bang, then what sounded like breaking glass and something dragging--then silence. The main leaf amazingly held, but you've gotta love the ultra-groovy shape it assumed whilst doing so. :D

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she sure is purdy...and i can think of alot of fun things to do.....right now ive got an image of going "smooth" and doing a trim delete.. with hand formed replacements welded to the body to keep the lines but filled and painted to no longer be there...keeping only the bumpers, headlight rings, tail light rings, grill, emblems, door handles..maybe the window trim....just the small stuff...kinda a stripped down hauler...the one the family scrimped and saved for but could only get a bare bones beast

or build a one of none panel wagon out of it by way of going totaly smoothy on the roof sides losing the drip rail or continuing it all the way round the tail
 
Being a base car, this is about as trim-delete as a '61 Plymouth got from the factory. I'm not crazy about the tailgate trim but it's quasi-functional so it stays. Up front, what you see on the driver's side is all the trim that was ever there, and to me the chrome "eyebrows" have to be there. Doing it as a panel never occurred to me but to my eye, the glass too much defines the lines of the car to delete. Normally I love panels, but the wraparound glass and the wild slope of the rear doors (those are a thing of beauty taken on their own) are just too critical to the look in my opinion.
 
I Love this body style!

You failed to mention how well my winch worked. It drug that boat out of a pile of wheels and tires like it was nothing. That old gear reduction winch had that ol' girl on the trailer in less than a minuet. I should have gotten around to mounting that sucker years ago! :D
 
Stretchy-Poo said:
You failed to mention how well my winch worked. It drug that boat out of a pile of wheels and tires like it was nothing.
Clearly you're more surprised by that development than I was. Remember, I watched a $79 Harbor Freight portable ball-hitch winch do something pretty similar a couple of weeks ago with Kevin's Charger. Why you put off mounting either winch you had for 15+ years is a mystery to which only you have the answer. :doh:

Notice "I WANT THAT!" does not appear in Stretch's post. He was cured rather quickly. :D

It's pretty ratty, but until I can get some time to dig through, clean, and take stock of what's there, what's workable, and what I'm up against, I'm not willing to condemn the old girl. Cleaned, fitted with some new mouldings, and with a little body work and paint it would make a pretty damned cool cruise-night beast, that's for sure. :dance:
 
I would leave the paint as is. I wanted it more when we realized it HAD 3 pedals. Its ratty though. I have no time for that much work. I have my eye on the original prize. The valiant.

I love this car though. The body lines are awesome. The rear door lines are so cool.
 
The paint would be OK were it not for the hideous repairs to certain areas. Those just have to be fixed, and I doubt it would be easy to blend 54-year-old patina. :D

The pedals might not be that hard to find. A lot of these cars were manuals back then--maybe half or more. It's just a matter of finding a set. I'm not against putting a typewriter automatic in it, though... and if that's the case someone converting to a manual might really want the shifter-delete plate.
 
Well, I guess we'll see if I decide to do the car... I'm thinking the pedals might be less expensive than the buttons, since the buttons are '61 Plymouth only, while the pedals are common from 1960 or '61 through the end of the non-C-body fullsize cars in '65.
 
[video=youtube;1GRVuKqudiA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GRVuKqudiA[/video]
 
It's pretty awesome. I checked it out late in the day at work. Stretch and I moved the '81 Imperial parts car out to the same local as Puff last night, and I told him I never knew such a song existed. I'd actually heard the phrase "Puff the Tragic Wagon" as a referral to the dismal efforts of engine developer Repco to turbocharge their Formula 1 V8 for American USAC racing. Apparently it didn't work out so well, with less-than-stellar horsepower and turbo-seal failure (hence "Puff"). Sadly enough, it was Repco's own development team that came up with the name. :D

Suffice to say, I'm going to move forward (very slowly) with this car. It's just so cool and I've already got most of the parts I would suggest to someone else attempting to build such a car. It came with a later non-tapered-shaft 8¾" axle of approximately-correct width already under it, and the Imperial parts car will donate its entire modular front suspension. The biggest issues will be with trim bits and the pedals (or pushbuttons--this is one car where I'd almost prefer a sissymatic). If need be, I'll hack truck pedals into it. :dance:

The engine will be a mild big-block of unknown displacement. No strokers or mega-power here; my leanings are actually toward a 383 because I can get one inexpensively. That being said, the engine will piss off a lot of people. :hmmm: And that's all I'm got to say about that. :dance:
 
id actualy agree with you on the auto..i say that cause everyone needs a BIG cruiser and its harder to cruise with a manual

now..this will sound sketchy as all fuck but i need to say it

"if" you adjust up the 3 on the tree shift rods 1 of them should slip onto a 727 and allow you full use of the trans..just ZERO indicator...i say this cause i did just that for MANY years on my a-108 and i really doubt they changed the shift pattern of the tree mount or the 3spd...so it might be something to keep in mind....i was actualy still able to feel the dents of the 727 thru the 3spd linkage..and id wager my linkage is a hell of alot longer....this would leave it looking like a 3spd and eliminate the need of the push button
 
There's no shifter in the car whatsoever. That left with the pedals... so, if I go to an automatic, I'm going to find a pushbutton shifter (or, should I say, the pushbuttons and bezel for a shifter, I have a pushbutton shifter mechanism and cable already) and use a conversion kit to make it work with a linkage-style transmission. The only drawback is that there's no Park function on the transmission, but that's why they make parking brakes. I'd like use an A518 transmission, which will leave me needing either a B/RB adapter or a JW Ultra Bell. I'd prefer the latter but they don't give those suckers away...
 
Jake has 2 complete 383's he has been trying to give away for years now.
 
No, he actually does want money for them. :D

I'm thinking I might bite on one or both of them, though. They're complete and I know the '68 ran well when pulled.
 

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