Project Sno Ball....85 RamCharger

a working plow on a basket case is worth what you paid....hell a running POS thats marginaly saveable is at what you paid...the ONLY reason you got it cheep is it was out in the middle of NOWHERE...ive seen ALOT of stuff up out that way go for pennys on the dollar but once i factor fuel in its never been worth the time..ive about run out that way for a couple of z50s
 
Damn Cows, good deal. Even though I just bought another one of my own cheap piles of junk, I'm still jealous of your new one. I really need to pave my backyard so I can fill it with a bunch of cheap cars. I quit smoking, I no longer pickle myself in bars nightly, so I clearly need to find another way to spend too much money and offend those around me. Shitty old cars! Unfortunately, I'm running low on the money.. I'll have to live vicariously through you guys then.. Great score Cows
 
a working plow on a basket case is worth what you paid....hell a running POS thats marginaly saveable is at what you paid...the ONLY reason you got it cheep is it was out in the middle of NOWHERE...ive seen ALOT of stuff up out that way go for pennys on the dollar but once i factor fuel in its never been worth the time..ive about run out that way for a couple of z50s

Well up here a used old plow is worth $2500 all day long, and a beat up RC is usually in the $2-3000 range. So even factoring in fuel....which was only $150 total there and back...yeah Cummins!...and the trailer rental for two days....$135....it was still a cheap vehicle.

Just cleared it through the border today, another $180...only due to Canada's $100 A/C tax! I figure when all is said and done I might be into it for about $3000 Cnd.....can't complain at that!
 
Damn Cows, good deal. Even though I just bought another one of my own cheap piles of junk, I'm still jealous of your new one. I really need to pave my backyard so I can fill it with a bunch of cheap cars. I quit smoking, I no longer pickle myself in bars nightly, so I clearly need to find another way to spend too much money and offend those around me. Shitty old cars! Unfortunately, I'm running low on the money.. I'll have to live vicariously through you guys then.. Great score Cows

Thanks Mr Sausage. I hear ya...I don't drink, smoke or consume any recreational substances....just have my old cars to keep me occupied. ;)
 
So went back across the border to pick up Ol' Sno Ball today. I fired it up and checked the tranny fluid....smelled like burnt clutches...and was low. So i added 3 quarts of fluid and it actually seemed to work OK. I managed to drive it up onto the trailer....was expecting to have to drag it up slowly with a come-a-long....but had to run it up in 4Lo since the plow dragged on the ramps....but it went up and on under it's own power! Still have all the parts coming for the tranny rebuild....but think I'm going to gamble a little....going to do a complete service on the tranny....drain, pull the valve body and adjust the front and rear bands, then replace a couple of the seals, then new filters and fluids and see if the tranny will get by for a year or so.

Getting it across the border from the USA to Canada went surprisingly well.....so once home I began checking things out. Pulled the rear bumper so I could open the hatch, in great shape. Then began pressure washing the engine bay, and underneath etc. once the engine was mostly clean I noticed that it had an older Eddy performer intake, and a 600 holley with Vac secondaries, and electric choke, also has one of those Leece neville 160 amp(?) alternators. But seems to run well enough.

Tomorrow will be service tranny and motor time, and if I have time will pull the wheels to check out and service the brakes....flush and bleed the system as well.
 
the giant ambulance alt?..i wonder if that was just part of the plow package assuming it would get lit up with lights and such
 
the giant ambulance alt?..i wonder if that was just part of the plow package assuming it would get lit up with lights and such

Yup that's the one, that was what I was thinking it is part of the plow package.

There is also a tranny cooler in front of the rad, behind the AC condenser, that is absolutely HUGE! Never seen one that big before. Might just toss a 12" electric pusher fan on the AC condensor to help cool the tranny while plowing.
 
hmm something to ponder...see i NEVER had a trans temp issue on my RC..and i was ABUSIVE with 4low..but i also ran a FIXED blade fan..which means engine RPM will draw ALL the air you could ever need....tho in this day n age id still probably run an electric fan for the trans cooler
 
...also has one of those Leece neville 160 amp(?) alternators.
Actually, it's a Motorola 100A. I'm not sure where the parts houses started calling them Leece-Neville, unless that was a HD alternator vendor for Chrysler at some point of which I'm not aware (maybe MD/HD trucks).

Hell of a score! On the converter questions, I'd recommend the lowest-stall converter you can find for plowing. That would mean a diesel unit, preferably 11" or 12" in diameter. The one thing you need to figure out before ordering one is whether your trans is a lockup version. Non-lockup converters won't fit a lockup trans, and vice-versa due to a different spline count (23 lockup, 24 non if memory serves). Being an '85, you're in that weird era where it could be either/or. Just guessing, I'd say it's a lockup. Avoid B&M like the plague where converters are concerned. Although it's probably out of the question because of price, places like Precision can build a billet-front converter to your specs. A friend just recently had one made for his (now ex) girlfriend's 5.3L Grand Prix G-whateverthefuck. I'm not sure what he paid, but it definitely wasn't reman/TCI Street Fighter pricing. On the other hand, how many times do you want to do this? The converter is the biggest source of heat.

As I've mentioned in past trans-rebuild posts, I hope you specified a kit with either Alto "Red Eagle" or Raybestos Blue clutches, and using cast-iron bands rather than the crappy stamped units. Stamped bands stretch and have less cooling capability due to their lower mass. In a situation like plowing, it'll definitely make a huge difference in longevity to have the top-shelf (often overstated as "race") parts. Typical "hot rod" tricks still apply here: fling the accumulator spring, crank up the line pressure, and use Ford Type F/FA fluid or ATF+4 (I still prefer the Ford stuff). Stay after your band adjustments. The bands are going to see a ton of apply/release cycles in a plow application, and if your replacements are indeed the stamped/spot-welded variety, they're prone to stretching. Loose bands generate more heat and wear. That's why Chrysler didn't use that style band except in low-power applications, like 904s and everything built during the smog era. They had that 5/50 warranty to consider.

If it's a dedicated plow rig that will rarely leave the yard, a fixed flex fan is actually a good idea. It's about the only time that's the case.

I would not suggest connecting the trans-cooler switch to the 4WD light. Transmission fluid being too cool is as much a concern as too hot. It's both a lubricant and hydraulic fluid. Your best option would be to use a typical automotive electric-fan switch to read the trans fluid temp and activate the fan automatically. Also, don't bypass the fluid cooler in the transmission; it's much more effective than an air-cooled unit no matter how large. On the subject of size, an '80s FWD-application AC condenser makes for a dandy HD trans cooler.

I'd also like to toss out the idea of completely draining your diffs and transfer case and refilling them with quality synthetics (I'm a big Royal Purple fan). They'll run cooler and last longer. A Sure Grip rear, at least at one point, was part of the Sno-Commander/Sno-Fighter packages. That truck would've had a Borg-Warner Anti-Spin diff (cone type) if it came with one; depending on miles/usage it might be pretty tired. It's not difficult to pop the diff out, removed the cones and have them milled to restore function, but for max longevity of the diff's internal gears it's a good idea to place a steel shim of at least half the thickness milled from the cones between the cones and the side gears. On the 8.75" B-W units, I used shims that fit perfectly, found behind the side gears of 8.75" open diffs. You could likely use pinion-depth shims in this application. If your going synthetic on the refill, check to see if your chosen brand still requires a hypoid additive. If it does, get a synthetic there as well.

The most-enjoyable way to test the function of a Sure Grip is to get that annoying adolescent neighbor kid to help you. Jack the truck up by the axle, placing it on stands, and tell the little peckerhead, "Hold that tire still with everything you've got." Give your tire a mighty rotational heave. If you flip the mouthy bastard on his head, your Sure Grip likely needs no more attention than a fluid change. :D
 
Also, about that name... :D

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Thanks for all the info and advice Doc....appreciate it!

Yes I did remember about the HD bands and the Red clutches. ;) Found a kit with almost everything, except the HD reverse/rear band. I did a service on the tranny, replaced the selector shaft seal, adjusted the bands, new filter and added a drain plug to the pan....filled it with Mercon/dexron and fired it up...seems to be running quite well! Will keep the rebuild kit in stock for a later date, hope to get a year or two out of the tranny?

Haven't checked for a sure grip yet, but I have rebuilt the cone style units before. Have a rebuilt unit in the wagon right now and it works great. I used stainless steel to make the shims I needed to get the proper gear lash(?) back into spec. Will use the Lucas 85W140 with the motorcraft additive if there is a suregrip. I used this in the crewcab when the rear diff started getting nasty clutch chatter from the synthetic fluid....took about a week and the diff has never been so quiet and smooth!

10-4 on the fluid temp sensor for the tranny fluid cooler. The Sno Commander option has a factory idiot light temp sensor that lights up on the plow control panel that tells you that the tranny fluid is getting hot. So will use that location to add a temp sensor, and fan control.
 
Done a bit of work on Sno Ball....got it brought across the borders and home, went very well with no issues.




Then started doing some clean up.

Engine bay before.....





After.....



 
Once home I opened the tranny up and figured I'd do a band adjustment, filter change and replace the selector shaft seal.



Also added a drain plug...as I always do. Usually get the B&M kit, but NAPA has the exact same unit for about half the price. ;)









There is a small dimple where the magnet goes over to help keep it in place. I drill out the center of that to about 9/16, the hammer the dimple flat, then re-drill and install the drain. Magnet fits fine behind it and does not interfere with the dip stick.
 
Thought I remembered how to adjust the bands....tightened them up to 72 inch/lbs and then sealed up the tranny, filled it and fired it up. Well it would not move! Thought the e-brake seized up so pull the rear drums and made sure the cables were free.....still no moving.

Took me a bit to figure out what I had done wrong. Then actually checked the FSM to double check the band adjustment, and realized that once at 72 in/lbs you have to back the band adjustment off a certain number of turns....Doooh! So had to drain the tranny and pull the pan so I could re-adjust things properly. Thanks goodness for the drain plug I just installed...;) :D

Once adjusted properly the tranny seems to work great! Don't think it will need a rebuild anytime soon....hopefully.

But I think I have figured out why the fluid smelled so burnt...at least once of the reasons...



Tranny line is resting right on the exhaust pipe! Some poor dual exhaust installation. Will see if I can adjust the pipe away, if not then I will install one of those heat socks you can use on spark plug wires if too close to headers or manifolds.
 
The rear bumper was bent up.....and because of that the rear hatch would not open.





So pulled the rear bumper....all the bolts broke which was nice. ;) And got the hatch open.



My friend/neighbour and I beat the thing back into basic shape with some big dunnage, couple sledge hammers and hammer and dolly.



The bumper was pretty beat, so also required some re-welding.



Coat of light grey paint and installed it back on.



Not sure if I like the light grey...was looking for silver but could not find it in Tremclad brush on. Might re-paint it later, or see if I can find a more RC-esque type rear bumper.
 
While was under the truck I had to pull the old gear reduction starter to pull the inspection cover to see if there was a drain plug on the torque converter...I never get one of those. :( Anyway since I had the starter out I figured I would toss that old 15lb beast and install one of my Junk yard high torque mini starters.



Haven't done much since then, other then order some needed parts, and dip into my parts stash for some more needed parts.

Getting to crunch time for the move, so not much spare time.
 
Hello Moto. :D

If you can find accessory brackets that will accomodate everything you need, you're actually much better off using the arrangement for the smaller alternator. There are alternators that bolt in place of the 37/63A units that can output far more amperage than that Motorola can. The one I have for the Imperial (which also had the big Moto) is, if memory serves, 140A.
 

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