Jesus! That's funny!
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J.C. Corbett
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Here 'ya go, Fishy. Minister wearing leather. www.fireballministry.com :giggedy:Fishboy said::wtf:Uhm if the "minister" was wearing leather....you weren't in church!!:doh:
BootHead
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blah blah blah mass hysteria blah blah http://www.psychohistorian.org/psychology/tongues.html
Not A Duster
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68isgr8 said:
Ric said:
Y'know I'm getting really tired of the constant ripping on people of faith by some on this board. The open racism is starting to get old too.
You are generalising and unfairly lumping people together based on the actions of of a minority. I have good customers out at the local bible college who I count as my most loyal trusted friends & business associates. They are also the most content and least driven by greed people I know. Any one of them would do anything they could to help anyone of you with anything should you need it.
I grew up dirt poor in an extremely ugly environment. Of the 1/2 dozen kids I hung out with, two are in jail that I know of and one is dead. (BTW - their skin was white.) My parents deserve medals for the fact that my siblings & I came out of that stink-hole OK. Our involvement with the church had a lot to do with that. Only my sister still attends church with her young family, the rest of us drifted away for various reasons, including my own experiences with the human race as a whole.
But y'know what? Whether I believe in God or not, I applaud my neighbours who take their families to church, where they can be taught some simple things like morals, ethics and consideration for others - stuff they aren't getting from the endless onslaught of TV & violent video games...And they sure aren't getting it from school.
You don't have any faith? That's OK - because neither do I anymore... but it's unfair to poke at those who do, because they are not all like the extreme example shown in this video.
Not to argue with you, because I agree with you to a point, but they've basically told of their own personal experiences with specific people who happen to be church goers that casue them to form this opinion. They don't out and out say all church goers are like that. It's implied, though and that's where I agree with you. We need to be careful about generalizing. Same with racism - although I tend to think of the word not said by Fishy as something that can be applied to any race. It's just been historically tied to people with darker skin and that's made it not such a nice word to use.
I think from now on, we need to subsitute the inference of the n word with "stupid ignorant bastard." It's supposed to mean the same thing, but it takes out the racial tone.
I had a ton more typed in here about my own feelings about the church, but i'll leave them out. Suffice it to say that I have specific reasons not to bother attending - some similar to the feelings expressed above.
Edit:Just wanted to add a note that the fact that I don't regularly attend church does not mean I don't have any kind of faith or belief system. I just feel that faith and church have become two very different things.
I think from now on, we need to subsitute the inference of the n word with "stupid ignorant bastard." It's supposed to mean the same thing, but it takes out the racial tone.
I had a ton more typed in here about my own feelings about the church, but i'll leave them out. Suffice it to say that I have specific reasons not to bother attending - some similar to the feelings expressed above.
Edit:Just wanted to add a note that the fact that I don't regularly attend church does not mean I don't have any kind of faith or belief system. I just feel that faith and church have become two very different things.
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v8440
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I can agree with the stupid ignorant bastard thing-it DOES take out the racial tones.
Here's where I'm probably gonna piss some folks off: Race DOES need to be pointed out. The reason I say this is, we have a minority of folks committing a GREATLY disproportional amount of violent crimes. I'm sorry that it sounds racist, but it's true. It can be factually verified. We also have a great number of people insisting that this not be pointed out. They say stuff like "crime comes in all colors". This is true. It's also irrelevant. When you have a group of people that are causing disproportionately more problems than others, you shouldn't be afraid to point that out. If you are, you get into "the emperor has no clothes", and that's just dumb.
I've said this many times before, and I'll keep saying it: Wanna shake a bad reputation as a group? Stop whatever dumb shit it is that you're doing as a group. It really is that simple. Note that I did NOT say it's easy, I said it's simple. There's a difference.
I live in a white neighborhood. Yet, ALMOST ALL crime here is committed by blacks. Is it racist of me to say that? I dunno, is it racist if it's true? Frankly, I'm sick of it. Take the bullshit somewhere else. When I see a black person who does not live here drive through, I get a little nervous. Does that make me misguided or racist? I don't think so-I wouldn't get nervous if shit didn't end up damaged or missing fairly often, and when solved it didn't ALMOST always turn out to be blacks. In other words, it does indeed turn out that I have a factual basis for feeling nervous when I see non-resident blacks driving around here.
The sucky thing about all this is that white people realize blacks commit more crimes, especially violent ones, and this carries over to the blacks who DON'T commit crimes. To me, THAT'S where the problem comes in. Good blacks get treated poorly by whites who are angry about/afraid of past transgressions by blacks. Similarly, whites are mistreated by blacks for much the same reason at times. I've been a victim of it myself. I strongly suspect that most good blacks have been mistreated by whites that harbor a deep suspicion of blacks.
So, is this reasonable? I mean, look at it from a theoretical white person's perspective for a minute: You have functional eyes, and you SEE the day-by-day shit-blacks on the news for murders all the time, whites occasionally. (not in all areas obviously, maybe even the reverse in some) How many times does this have to happen before it's "ok" to start expecting it? How many times do you have to read in the paper about one black killing another over some dumb shit, or robbing someone and shooting them, before you realize that yes, there is a difference? At what point does it cease being racism on the white person's part, and start being realism on their part?
Somebody please tell me that. No, don't just call me a racist and not address any of the issues I've brought up. People notice these racial disparities, and it's not gonna go away until the disparities go away. Just to head one particular thing off at the pass, if you're gonna say it's all a plot by the media and police to portray blacks as crime-prone, you'd better be able to give a pretty good explanation of the hows/whys this has been done. It would be a good idea to start by explaining how the MILLIONS of people required to pull this plot off have kept it remarkably quiet, including the black people who work in these news and law enforcement organizations.
Notice that there's not a lot of "hate" here. That's the first word brought up by some folks when something is said (usually by whites) that they don't want to hear. It's an excellent way to deflect debate away from the mechanics of what was actually said, and discourage people from saying it again. Example: White person says "I'm getting tired of all these crimes committed by blacks in my area!" Someone says "That's hate speech!!!" Bingo! They've just successfully changed the subject-the original speaker now has to defend him/her self against the charges of having uttered "hate" speech. COMPLETELY forgotten is examining what was actually said to see if it's true. The person accusing them of hate speech is now let off the hook of having to face the possbility that what was said is actually true. Even if it turns out to not be true, it could be a simple misperception on the part of the speaker. But no, we will not consider that possibility. It MUST be "hate" speech, facts be damned.
No, I don't hate black people. I know that these days it would be easy to read what I've written and dismiss it as hate. It would certainly be easier to do that than to take a close look at what I've actually said.
I've laid all this out again to explain why some stuff I say might sound racist. At the center of my speech is the question-is it racist if it's true? I dunno.
As a side note, I realize some of you reading this live in a much different place than I do, and things may be different there. You may live in an area with very few blacks, or you may be black yourself. Regardless, I can assure you that things around here are as I have said they are. It is what it is.
Here's where I'm probably gonna piss some folks off: Race DOES need to be pointed out. The reason I say this is, we have a minority of folks committing a GREATLY disproportional amount of violent crimes. I'm sorry that it sounds racist, but it's true. It can be factually verified. We also have a great number of people insisting that this not be pointed out. They say stuff like "crime comes in all colors". This is true. It's also irrelevant. When you have a group of people that are causing disproportionately more problems than others, you shouldn't be afraid to point that out. If you are, you get into "the emperor has no clothes", and that's just dumb.
I've said this many times before, and I'll keep saying it: Wanna shake a bad reputation as a group? Stop whatever dumb shit it is that you're doing as a group. It really is that simple. Note that I did NOT say it's easy, I said it's simple. There's a difference.
I live in a white neighborhood. Yet, ALMOST ALL crime here is committed by blacks. Is it racist of me to say that? I dunno, is it racist if it's true? Frankly, I'm sick of it. Take the bullshit somewhere else. When I see a black person who does not live here drive through, I get a little nervous. Does that make me misguided or racist? I don't think so-I wouldn't get nervous if shit didn't end up damaged or missing fairly often, and when solved it didn't ALMOST always turn out to be blacks. In other words, it does indeed turn out that I have a factual basis for feeling nervous when I see non-resident blacks driving around here.
The sucky thing about all this is that white people realize blacks commit more crimes, especially violent ones, and this carries over to the blacks who DON'T commit crimes. To me, THAT'S where the problem comes in. Good blacks get treated poorly by whites who are angry about/afraid of past transgressions by blacks. Similarly, whites are mistreated by blacks for much the same reason at times. I've been a victim of it myself. I strongly suspect that most good blacks have been mistreated by whites that harbor a deep suspicion of blacks.
So, is this reasonable? I mean, look at it from a theoretical white person's perspective for a minute: You have functional eyes, and you SEE the day-by-day shit-blacks on the news for murders all the time, whites occasionally. (not in all areas obviously, maybe even the reverse in some) How many times does this have to happen before it's "ok" to start expecting it? How many times do you have to read in the paper about one black killing another over some dumb shit, or robbing someone and shooting them, before you realize that yes, there is a difference? At what point does it cease being racism on the white person's part, and start being realism on their part?
Somebody please tell me that. No, don't just call me a racist and not address any of the issues I've brought up. People notice these racial disparities, and it's not gonna go away until the disparities go away. Just to head one particular thing off at the pass, if you're gonna say it's all a plot by the media and police to portray blacks as crime-prone, you'd better be able to give a pretty good explanation of the hows/whys this has been done. It would be a good idea to start by explaining how the MILLIONS of people required to pull this plot off have kept it remarkably quiet, including the black people who work in these news and law enforcement organizations.
Notice that there's not a lot of "hate" here. That's the first word brought up by some folks when something is said (usually by whites) that they don't want to hear. It's an excellent way to deflect debate away from the mechanics of what was actually said, and discourage people from saying it again. Example: White person says "I'm getting tired of all these crimes committed by blacks in my area!" Someone says "That's hate speech!!!" Bingo! They've just successfully changed the subject-the original speaker now has to defend him/her self against the charges of having uttered "hate" speech. COMPLETELY forgotten is examining what was actually said to see if it's true. The person accusing them of hate speech is now let off the hook of having to face the possbility that what was said is actually true. Even if it turns out to not be true, it could be a simple misperception on the part of the speaker. But no, we will not consider that possibility. It MUST be "hate" speech, facts be damned.
No, I don't hate black people. I know that these days it would be easy to read what I've written and dismiss it as hate. It would certainly be easier to do that than to take a close look at what I've actually said.
I've laid all this out again to explain why some stuff I say might sound racist. At the center of my speech is the question-is it racist if it's true? I dunno.
As a side note, I realize some of you reading this live in a much different place than I do, and things may be different there. You may live in an area with very few blacks, or you may be black yourself. Regardless, I can assure you that things around here are as I have said they are. It is what it is.
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v8440
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I'm going outside to put the transmission back in the dually now. Before I go incommunicado for a while, I wanted to say something that may sound silly in the face of what I said above. And that is, I hope I haven't personally offended anyone. I imagine I have offended someone's principles and world view, and that's fine-it promotes thought. It's the personal perspective I'm worried about. You guys may not believe this, but I don't particularly like saying the kind of things I said above. I said them because I genuinely feel they NEED to be said, that they aren't said in "polite" company enough.
Not A Duster.......I didn't mean to sound as if I'm lumping all church followers in one category. I realize there are good christians out there that are willing to bend over backwards for anyone who needs it. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my previous post. But on a general whole, church organizations turn me off because everyone believes that "their" faith is the right one to follow and everyone else is going to hell.
I too have lived a very poor,strickin life. 7 years as a child I've experienced things I'd rather not share, and God was there for me. If it wasn't for him, I'd be dead. I still believe and pray on a regular basis and ask for protection for me and my family. But I don't force my family to go to church. I believe you don't have to go just to believe and live a life that is morally correct. Like I mentioned in my previous post, I have met more judmental, hypocritical people who did attend church. Also, I have met some wonderful friends who are followers that you could only wish everyone in the world was just like them. Unfortunatly they are a rare breed.
As far as with the video, to me that is scary. It just goes to show how easily people can get brainwashed. There are A LOT of things in different organizations that I don't agree with. I was raised to live your life by example that is in the bible. Some denominations twist and turn (even add onto)the wording of the King James, and that my friend is a sin in itself.
I too have lived a very poor,strickin life. 7 years as a child I've experienced things I'd rather not share, and God was there for me. If it wasn't for him, I'd be dead. I still believe and pray on a regular basis and ask for protection for me and my family. But I don't force my family to go to church. I believe you don't have to go just to believe and live a life that is morally correct. Like I mentioned in my previous post, I have met more judmental, hypocritical people who did attend church. Also, I have met some wonderful friends who are followers that you could only wish everyone in the world was just like them. Unfortunatly they are a rare breed.
As far as with the video, to me that is scary. It just goes to show how easily people can get brainwashed. There are A LOT of things in different organizations that I don't agree with. I was raised to live your life by example that is in the bible. Some denominations twist and turn (even add onto)the wording of the King James, and that my friend is a sin in itself.