I drove a Cybertruck around SF because I am a smart, cool alpha male
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the first time you see on ein person you suddenly realize that pictures dont do it justice...and thats no compliment, its the fact that they are 10x more ugly and terrible in person.
further more the closer you get the worse they get....ive seen ALOT of them on transports recently, and the old TRU neer me is now a tesla dealer so they have one in the new showroom thats right off the siewalk..
worse a freind wanted to stop and genuinely look at it..so yeah ive touched one....what a huge pile of fuckery...you cant get a sheet of plywood in the bed PERIOD...not only is it not long enough its not wide enough either
it is by all rights the love child of a pontiac aztec and a delorean
further more the closer you get the worse they get....ive seen ALOT of them on transports recently, and the old TRU neer me is now a tesla dealer so they have one in the new showroom thats right off the siewalk..
worse a freind wanted to stop and genuinely look at it..so yeah ive touched one....what a huge pile of fuckery...you cant get a sheet of plywood in the bed PERIOD...not only is it not long enough its not wide enough either
it is by all rights the love child of a pontiac aztec and a delorean
b-body-bob
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We saw one the other day and you are underestimating the ugly and terrible factor.
74DartSport
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b-body-bob
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God bless America, where people have too much money and too little sense.
b-body-bob
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I thought that was a made up word for some other model so I googled it. Nope, Bentley actually has a model with that stupid name. My favorite part of it is
Range:
18 mi battery-only, 390 mi total
Yeah that's useful. They could've saved a bunch of money by making the gas tank hold an extra gallon or subtract a gallon from the capacity as "reserve".
Someday far in the future an alien civilization will use the Bentayga as proof that humans were not an intelligent species.
Dr.Jass
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This is the second or third article I've read that highlighted the hatred directed at CyberTruck drivers. I also find it hilarious that this writer attacks Musk, since said author fits the profile of those who were singing Musk's praises to the point of god worship until he revealed his politically-conservative true nature. My, how those tides turned overnight. Regardless, the writer's take on the type of person that would buy such a senseless vehicle seemed pretty spot-on and, in my opinion, applies at some level to most Tesla owners regardless of model. I've only seen one CyberTruck in person, and it was passing the store so I didn't get a good look, but the responses here of "it's even uglier in person" seem to be echoed everywhere I've read. The almost-universal dislike of the styling only reinforces the personality type the author presents. Since those people have no actual need of, or use for, a truck--like most truck buyers--they likely won't notice the inherent problems of battery power in truck application (long charge times, enormous charge consumption when loaded, etc.).
A couple of things he mentioned but didn't really explor stood out to me:
"Tactile pleasures were nonexistent. No buttons. No switches." I like switches, even if they're momentary with little feedback. Touchscreens are an annoyance to me in most cases. I understand that smartphones require them, but cars do not. When I push the AC button or twist the wiper switch in my car, I can do so without looking and know that--whether it worked or not--the car received the command. If the air doesn't blow cool or the wipers don't wipe, I don't have to look again to see if I actually engaged either. I won't stare at the switch I just activated and wonder why it didn't function. This is a real problem.
I encounter people daily who, despite having had the same phone for a period of years, struggle with the interface and can't find a picture they took 30 minutes prior. Do I want that struggle happening in a car in the oncoming lane, rather than that driver concentrating on the road? No. Now that cars can and do actively track your pupil movements (Stretch drove a Subaru about a year ago and heard "EYES ON THE ROAD!" when he looked for cross-traffic), I wonder if we'll ever get stats on crashes that happen while the driver was trying to change radio stations or the HVAC blower speed. I rode in a '23 Jeep Grand Chickadee the other day and despite having a switch, the blower doesn't immediately change speeds. Nope, it pauses after the input then slowly ramps up to the new speed. Apparently I'm supposed to be impressed at the "luxury" of a simple PWM gradual speed change, rather than annoyed by its need to take several seconds to achieve the new speed. You have to look at the touchscreen above it to see what speed you've selected, rather than the road. Is this better than the multi-position switch used for more than half a century?
The other thing the author glossed over was the CyberTruck's "no resale" clause in the purchase agreement. If you buy one, you can't legally sell it within one year of purchase unless you sell it back to Tesla. The fine? $50,000 or however much over sticker you profited, whichever is greater. Yes, it is a situation since the waitlist for this thing is in the seven-digit range. The clause is in the paperwork the customer signs. That falls under contract law, so it's 100% enforceable. Ford did the same thing with the GT and later the '22 Lightning, and while cases were settled out of court for undisclosed amounts, Ford won. The owners--including John Cena--did have to pay Ford. In all three cases it was done to prevent scalping, which was rampant with cars like the first-year, hand-built Viper. Scalpers find clever workarounds ("I'll lease it to you for [length of no-sale clause] for $500,000, after which you can purchase the vehicle for $0.01") while honest customers who encounter legitimate reasons to sell are screwed.
With the current state of the auto industry being "screw the customer" there is no way I'd purchase anything built in the last 8-10 years, other than to leave it in my yard as an insurace shill while I drove something older daily. GM vehicles, for at least the last 8 years, have been reporting driving telemetry back to GM through the OnStar connection--whether or not you actually subscribe (as of 2023 it's a mandatory option you cannot delete anyhow). GM sells that information to LexisNexis, a data broker, who then sells it to insurance companies. If your insurance company is one of 'em, you may see higher rates based on their definition of "excessive" throttle input, cornering speed, or braking. Quite literally, swerving or braking to avoid a deer can raise your insurance. God forbid you take "your" car to the track for a day of fun.
I'm not trying to dump on GM owners, either. Make no mistake: If GM is doing it, other car companies are too. They just haven't been exposed yet. The thread I linked includes useful steps regarding how to get around this horsefuckery.
A couple of things he mentioned but didn't really explor stood out to me:
"Tactile pleasures were nonexistent. No buttons. No switches." I like switches, even if they're momentary with little feedback. Touchscreens are an annoyance to me in most cases. I understand that smartphones require them, but cars do not. When I push the AC button or twist the wiper switch in my car, I can do so without looking and know that--whether it worked or not--the car received the command. If the air doesn't blow cool or the wipers don't wipe, I don't have to look again to see if I actually engaged either. I won't stare at the switch I just activated and wonder why it didn't function. This is a real problem.
I encounter people daily who, despite having had the same phone for a period of years, struggle with the interface and can't find a picture they took 30 minutes prior. Do I want that struggle happening in a car in the oncoming lane, rather than that driver concentrating on the road? No. Now that cars can and do actively track your pupil movements (Stretch drove a Subaru about a year ago and heard "EYES ON THE ROAD!" when he looked for cross-traffic), I wonder if we'll ever get stats on crashes that happen while the driver was trying to change radio stations or the HVAC blower speed. I rode in a '23 Jeep Grand Chickadee the other day and despite having a switch, the blower doesn't immediately change speeds. Nope, it pauses after the input then slowly ramps up to the new speed. Apparently I'm supposed to be impressed at the "luxury" of a simple PWM gradual speed change, rather than annoyed by its need to take several seconds to achieve the new speed. You have to look at the touchscreen above it to see what speed you've selected, rather than the road. Is this better than the multi-position switch used for more than half a century?
The other thing the author glossed over was the CyberTruck's "no resale" clause in the purchase agreement. If you buy one, you can't legally sell it within one year of purchase unless you sell it back to Tesla. The fine? $50,000 or however much over sticker you profited, whichever is greater. Yes, it is a situation since the waitlist for this thing is in the seven-digit range. The clause is in the paperwork the customer signs. That falls under contract law, so it's 100% enforceable. Ford did the same thing with the GT and later the '22 Lightning, and while cases were settled out of court for undisclosed amounts, Ford won. The owners--including John Cena--did have to pay Ford. In all three cases it was done to prevent scalping, which was rampant with cars like the first-year, hand-built Viper. Scalpers find clever workarounds ("I'll lease it to you for [length of no-sale clause] for $500,000, after which you can purchase the vehicle for $0.01") while honest customers who encounter legitimate reasons to sell are screwed.
With the current state of the auto industry being "screw the customer" there is no way I'd purchase anything built in the last 8-10 years, other than to leave it in my yard as an insurace shill while I drove something older daily. GM vehicles, for at least the last 8 years, have been reporting driving telemetry back to GM through the OnStar connection--whether or not you actually subscribe (as of 2023 it's a mandatory option you cannot delete anyhow). GM sells that information to LexisNexis, a data broker, who then sells it to insurance companies. If your insurance company is one of 'em, you may see higher rates based on their definition of "excessive" throttle input, cornering speed, or braking. Quite literally, swerving or braking to avoid a deer can raise your insurance. God forbid you take "your" car to the track for a day of fun.
I'm not trying to dump on GM owners, either. Make no mistake: If GM is doing it, other car companies are too. They just haven't been exposed yet. The thread I linked includes useful steps regarding how to get around this horsefuckery.
74DartSport
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Mazda does the data grab too.
Dr.Jass
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I believe Tesla's been caught at this as well.
b-body-bob
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Is Tesla's horrible design and product record part of a conspiracy to keep electric cars from becoming popular? Inquiring minds want to know.
69.5CUDA
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honestly the earlier teslas are quite good, and...all said if the price was better id probably get one, especialy since ive now got a pile of solar on the house, i could charge it for free..no really i litteraly throw away power daily
but yourt spot on with the tactile all screen horse shit and the capture of well...everything,
honestly the fact that no one has made for sale in the US a "hot hatch" that was all electric is beyond me..hatchbacks sell PERIOD especialy small 4dr hatches
but yourt spot on with the tactile all screen horse shit and the capture of well...everything,
honestly the fact that no one has made for sale in the US a "hot hatch" that was all electric is beyond me..hatchbacks sell PERIOD especialy small 4dr hatches
Dr.Jass
Pastor of Muppets
Teslas have not gotten any worse as the company aged. They've been problematic since day one, but nobody reported on it until the complaints finally amounted to a roar. There were also a lot of buyers who kept their mouth shut out of conceit--they wouldn't admit the Tesla they'd bragged up so much was a pile. It seemed that all of a sudden, every news agency got on board with slamming Tesla. Not coincidentally, it seemed to happen right around the time his political leanings became evident. No surprise there. Regardless, Tesla complaints about quality, bad design, safety, poor customer treatment, and overstated performance in terms of both charge consumption and acceleration/braking literally date to about Day Two.
If that's true, you need to have your system connected so it will feed the grid. If your system provides any wattage to the grid, the power company must compensate you. That's a federal law. My buddy Fred is having this done right now with his solar grid, but the trick there is that the work must be done by a licensed electrician, 100% to code--it's not a "DIY and have it inspected" situation. The power company will probably want to see receipts, plus inspect the work themselves, which is their right if you're feeding their grid. If they don't like anything about the system, they can disconnect your power.
Of course, the short lifespan of solar panels combined with the constant revision to designs--Fred's are less than three years old and already superseded to a non-interchangeable panel--whether or not it's an economically viable solution to anything is questionable. I pay well under $2,000/year for electricity, so for me it'd be a wash at best financially, especially long-term.
Tesla's fast charger requires a three-phase 480V circuit, for the record.
Hatchbacks do not, in fact, sell well in the US. America hates hatchbacks. The overwhelming opinion of them here is that they're shitbox entry-level cars, because in base trim nearly every singe one of them was/is. That's why hatchback Cavaliers and Escorts vanished, the Omnirizon twins went away entirely, and Neons were never available as hatchbacks. The only reason we ever got the Focus was because Ford was already making it elsewhere and they needed the CAFE bump in the US. Almost nobody makes them anymore except VW Group, and the available models don't sell well here. Even Golf sales have tanked worldwide. The Golf was once a perennial 900,000-unit seller globally, but it's down to a third of that or less in the last several years. It hasn't sold 100,000 units in the US since 1982 (under the Rabbit name) with 2021 US sales amounting to less than 9,300 units.
I had a blast with my old Omni-based Charger, which was a base model, as well as my sister's '85 Sunbird LE (full disclosure: It had a trunk, but a hatchback version was available). Both were lightweight 5-speed cars with adequate power that were a hoot to fling around, especially after one adapts to and embraces the sketchy-ass handling of virtually every front-drive car ever built. Both were crappy bottom-feeder models, but that was part of the charm--it kept the weight down and the feedback high. Shelby Chargers and Turbo Sunbird GTs were a scream (the '84 Sunbird GT would outrun a same-year Corvette), and the GLH was an absolute riot. I miss cars like that, but 'round these parts they all rusted away years ago... lending credence to the poor overall reputation of such cars, "hot" or otherwise. With all of today's safety and convenience "requirements", small lightweight beaters like that are non-entities.
69.5CUDA
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on the solar side of things..it varys GREATLY state to state....here its basicly pointless to grid tie PERIOD, the amount of hoops you have to jump thru is deranged to say the least, never mind the licensed INSTALLER, as well as electrician and a slew of other horse shit....at then end here you basicly get 1/3rd credit and it must be spent every 6 months or its thrown out...you do NOT get paid
our power bill was OVER 300 a mo...and rates have only gone up since the solars been added..neighbors is roughly 500 a mo now and his has always been just a touch higher than ours
in WA its litteraly install it, have it inspected and your good to go
biggest trick with solar is going with the BIG full size panels and not the typical "half panel" crap thats typicaly installed on houses...the full size ones always go on comercial/industrial setups and in the past 6 years these panels haven really changed..dont get me wrong every year you see a lil more watt's from the "new" versions as well as better bypasses for shaded cells, and often times shut downs and optimizers but size and format hasnt changed..the "old" panels that i first installed on a freinds house that i ended up with are identical in size, bolting, hookups as the new panels he just bought which i got some of..the differance being the old ones are 3v lower at 5watts higher..and dont filter the power as well when shaded as the new ones
on the hatches..yeah umm everyones still makeing em
as far as the teslas go ive known a few ppl personaly who had various model3's and were actualy good cars even for being heavy fucking pigs lol
our power bill was OVER 300 a mo...and rates have only gone up since the solars been added..neighbors is roughly 500 a mo now and his has always been just a touch higher than ours
in WA its litteraly install it, have it inspected and your good to go
biggest trick with solar is going with the BIG full size panels and not the typical "half panel" crap thats typicaly installed on houses...the full size ones always go on comercial/industrial setups and in the past 6 years these panels haven really changed..dont get me wrong every year you see a lil more watt's from the "new" versions as well as better bypasses for shaded cells, and often times shut downs and optimizers but size and format hasnt changed..the "old" panels that i first installed on a freinds house that i ended up with are identical in size, bolting, hookups as the new panels he just bought which i got some of..the differance being the old ones are 3v lower at 5watts higher..and dont filter the power as well when shaded as the new ones
on the hatches..yeah umm everyones still makeing em
as far as the teslas go ive known a few ppl personaly who had various model3's and were actualy good cars even for being heavy fucking pigs lol