Failure is the only option.

[Fishy]

Can
Hear
Every
Valve
Rod
Or
Lifter
Every
Time!

(No I didn't come up with that one lol)

 

[Dr.Jass]

Actually, it's "Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques" but who's keeping track?

 

[Fishy]

Actually, it's "Constantly Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques" but who's keeping track?

:bwuhaha: Gotta remember that one!!

 

[a12bee]

I'm feeling a rod. But I can't guess what's going to happen to your motor.

 

[giowest]

Doug, definetly Doug.:giggedy:

 

[J.C. Corbett]

The Heartbeat of America... a Camaro with a rod knock.

I just saw that car, in grey primer, of course, along with the going bald, late 40's guy still trying to support the mullet:toot: .

 

[Stretch]

"There wasn't a redline, so I shifted it at the highest number."
:doh:

You forgot the “But I handed that camaro driver his ass Honey”:vroom:

 

[firefighter3931]

Is it balanced ? How much oil in the pan ? stock pan ?

It'll probably suck the pan dry, assuming it's the stock pan. The short stroke will help it live, assuming the rods are in descent shape. I'd bet you don't have enough valvespring to pull that much rpm....can you say valve float. That cam will be all done by 6000 rpm powerwise, anyway. Those rockers are indestructable...they'll be the last thing to break !

Ron

 

[mopar_man]

Those rockers are indestructable...they'll be the last thing to break !

I haven't put my adjustable ones on yet but I have a stock on that has a hole in it :doh:

 

[Stretch]

Is it balanced ? How much oil in the pan ? stock pan ?

It'll probably suck the pan dry, assuming it's the stock pan. The short stroke will help it live, assuming the rods are in descent shape. I'd bet you don't have enough valvespring to pull that much rpm....can you say valve float. That cam will be all done by 6000 rpm powerwise, anyway. Those rockers are indestructable...they'll be the last thing to break !

Ron

Did you miss the titanium valve train part? That stuff is incredibly light! I doubt the valves will float I do agree with the cam leaving the party before the carnage shows up though.

 

[Dr.Jass]

Well, though I don't trust its horsepower figures, I'm told the curve is fairly accurate in Desktop Dyno... and with the solid stick and small cubes (remember, this is a 318, not a 400+ inch engine--and my 284°/.484" juice cam ripped to way over 6 grand in my 440), it should peak out at horsepower around 7000 and has about 25 more horsepower at 8000 than it does at 4000.

But, as I said, if anyone wants to sling me a cam of greater dimensions, I'm open to adopt one... I'd like to get a 284°/.528" MP solid, actually, but I'm done spending money on this one.

I don't think the stock non-HV pump will cause the (stock) pan to run dry, nor do I think valvespring pressure will be a problem (Lunati double springs and the titanium goodies pretty-much ensure that). The spring pressures look good through about 7500 on steel valves, and the titanium weighs over 35% less.

Besides, Stretch will be driving, and he won't lift until I tell him to do so... and I'll be too busy running the camcorder.

 

[firefighter3931]

Did you miss the titanium valve train part? That stuff is incredibly light! I doubt the valves will float I do agree with the cam leaving the party before the carnage shows up though.

Ya i saw that Stretch....it's just that it takes a lot of spring to keep the valvetrain stable at 8k, irregardless of the valvetrains weight.

I've got 350 lbs over the nose on mine with a solid and it was starting to float at 6500 when we had it on the dyno. That was as high as we took it due to the stock bottom end (LY's/6-pack speedpro slugs) even though it was/is balanced. It made peak hp at 6100 with a large custom 264@.050 Comp Solid.

I guess the point is yes maybe it can rpm to 8k (jazz's 318) but will it make power at that rpm ? If not, why do it.....

Ron

 

[firefighter3931]

Well, though I don't trust its horsepower figures, I'm told the curve is fairly accurate in Desktop Dyno... and with the solid stick and small cubes (remember, this is a 318, not a 400+ inch engine--and my 284°/.484" juice cam ripped to way over 6 grand in my 440), it should peak out at horsepower around 7000 and has about 25 more horsepower at 8000 than it does at 4000.

But, as I said, if anyone wants to sling me a cam of greater dimensions, I'm open to adopt one... I'd like to get a 284°/.528" MP solid, actually, but I'm done spending money on this one.

I don't think the stock non-HV pump will cause the (stock) pan to run dry, nor do I think valvespring pressure will be a problem (Lunati double springs and the titanium goodies pretty-much ensure that). The spring pressures look good through about 7500 on steel valves, and the titanium weighs over 35% less.

Besides, Stretch will be driving, and he won't lift until I tell him to do so... and I'll be too busy running the camcorder.

So Stretch gets to be the test pilot huh :clap:

That little MP solid looks like a good match for the rest of the combo : 235*@.050 112 lsa and only 52* overlap. Should idle nice and pull pretty good with the tunnel ram. I don't think you'd want anything bigger with only 8.9:1 static.

If the cam/lifters are new, do yourself a favor and pull the inner springs for the break in.
Looking forward to the vid clips :bravo:


Ron

 

[Dr.Jass]

I guess the point is yes maybe it can rpm to 8k (jazz's 318) but will it make power at that rpm ? If not, why do it...

:shifty:

...because I'm a twisted individual with... this cute little 138,000-mile '85 318HP shorblock sitting innocently in the corner, the decision has been made to find its limits.

Ron, this isn't the final engine for the car... it's just an experiment. I have two 340s, a 360, a 400 and a 440 all lying around but all the stuff for the 318 is already there. The ex-GF left the tunnel ram, a pair of Holleys, a set of 5.13s, etc. here when she moved to MN so I just figured I'd overkill the poor 318 and see what lets go first. It ain't about ultimate HP or lowest elapsed time, it's about finding the fuse in a stock 318.

Oh, yeah... I know better than to break it in with doubles. Should the cam survive, I'll probably want to use it again. :dance:

Now go find me a bigger cam, for free.

 

[Da-ho]

You might want to consider just a few oiling system mods- just to be on the safe side. Outside of that it should be a fun little engine.:giggedy:

 

[Stretch]

You might want to consider just a few oiling system mods- just to be on the safe side. Outside of that it should be a fun little engine.:giggedy:

What safe side. He wants to find the weak link.

*Red Forman voice*
Dumb Ass!

 

[firefighter3931]

:shifty:


Ron, this isn't the final engine for the car... it's just an experiment. I have two 340s, a 360, a 400 and a 440 all lying around but all the stuff for the 318 is already there. The ex-GF left the tunnel ram, a pair of Holleys, a set of 5.13s, etc. here when she moved to MN so I just figured I'd overkill the poor 318 and see what lets go first. It ain't about ultimate HP or lowest elapsed time, it's about finding the fuse in a stock 318.

Oh, yeah... I know better than to break it in with doubles. Should the cam survive, I'll probably want to use it again. :dance:

Now go find me a bigger cam, for free.

Ok Jass...i've got it now :hmmm:

This sounds like some serious R&D going on

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a .700 lift solid roller cam for this project [smilie=2:


Ron

 

[Dr.Jass]

...and some 1.7 rockers, while you're out.

 

[Blown71X]

I`m late to the party, But i`m bettin the 5 or 6 bearings spin followed shortly after by one of those rods losing connectivity to the crank........Not that i`ve ever blown up a `teen before or anything:bwuhaha:


Jass...it`s too bad your not closer, I just happen to have a 250 cheater with a 3/4 full bottle sitting here just wanting to be used on something:dance:

 

[Dr.Jass]

I don't know that I'd do the nitrous thing... it's hard to identify the failed part when you can't identify any parts.

This here looks like it may have been either the water pump or the tunnel ram...