Canada Wants to Impose EV Sales Quotas on Auto Dealers Starting in 2023

[moparnut]

The Canadian federal government says it will act to impose quotas on dealerships across Canada for electric-vehicle sales starting at the end of 2022 or early in 2023. The quotas are designed to help Canada catch up to other countries and reach its targets for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

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[thrashingcows]

Interesting program on BBC radio about the switch to EV vehicles the other day and the amount of materials needed to build them.

Right now the largest mine for Lithium is in Australia and for the global society to meet the environmental targets we would need at least 20 more Lithium mines of equal or greater size. And mines are massive consumers of petroleum products as well as generators of greenhouse gasses in the function and processing of the materials extracted from the earth.

And that is just one of the materials needed, copper is another since EV vehicles have anywhere from 3 to 4x's the amount of copper in it's construction compared to an ICE vehicle.

I'm not against the switch to clean and green energy and fuel sources, but are we actually making a difference in the larger scale with this push and the strip mining that will have to happen globally to meet the targets? I don't know....

 

[68R/T]

Bottom line is that there is a group of people somewhere that are paying off politicos to use the "climate change" agenda so they can make gobs of monies from the poor smuck consumers. EV's will do nothing to improve conditions of the planet. As stated by GyratingHereford above, all the petroleum used to mine & produce, recharge these batteries doesn't add up as being as "clean" as they want us to think. I have never heard anyone mention how they propose to dispose of all the used up hazardous material batteries. Will they magically disappear, like all of the fiberglass wind turbine blades that have only one disposal site in the entire US?

 

[71dusterman]

EV clean makes more environmental waste than an ICE vehicle in the same time frame. They also cost way more in maintenance that an ICE does because of the cost to replace the batteries and then the recycling cost is astounding. I talked to a friend who had a friend that had an EV car that needed new batteries and the cost was going to be more than the value of the car. Nobody wanted his car in trade-in or outright sale. He was stuck in a catch 22. Also EV vehicles are only good in a short distance city location. Out in the rural areas of Canadian cold weather, I would not want to be stuck in a traffic jam or accident scene in the winter with an EV.

 

[thrashingcows]

I listen to the BBC radio when working and another program was talking about the range of EV vehicles. They are made to function best in stable weather conditions that don't drop below freezing, but with temps around or just below zero the batteries have to be maintained and kept warm by the system, thus limiting the range, and using the heater to stay warm...again drops the range of the vehicle.

Think they said the numbers around freezing, the range is reduced by 30-40% and when you have extreme cold...-10*C or colder the range is reduced by 60% or more! Then there is the recharge time when they get really cold since again the batteries must be brought up to proper temperature and that could take a couple hours before the batteries even begin to start to charge, and that is with indoor parking...can't imagine what would happen if you had to park outside in -30*C and have the vehicle try and charge.

In the North were I live with the extreme cold an EV vehicle with a range of only a couple hundred KM's, and then the reduction in range, I'd bet it might not have enough range to drive the 25km's from my house into town and then get back home....