Can anyone ID this Transmission???

mr340

I don't always drink beer, but when I do
This was given to me by Charger Man, I was told it is a B/B trans, but there are no real tell-tale signs. It is a 4 speed (H pattern with reverse left and up),It is approximately 37" long with a 17.3/4 tail. The output shaft is 30 spline, and the input is 23. there are a few casting #'s, but the data pad has some odd #'s on it "PP833 3418". There are a bunch of pics, any help is greatly appreciated!!!
 
limited to 3 attachments... Hmmm. oh well here are 3 more pics
 
Front mounting area is for B bodies and the rear is for Es Its junk-I will give ya 50 buks. [smilie=e:
 
Is there a difference between B/B and S/B. I know it was mated to a B/B at some point in it's life, I was hoping someone knows what the number on the IDpad means (I know it's a 833) what is the "PP", and or "3418". Is there a date code somewhere on this thing?
 
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Front mounting area is for 66 -70 B bodies and the rear is for71-74 b or e the date is on top of tran [smilie=b: [smilie=a: :beer: no vin numbers on pad mmmmmm
 
I didn't see a date code anywhere ( i'll look again), posted pics of all the #'s I could find, that 3418 has to mean something... [smilie=e:
 
The A body version has a short output shaft I believe but you can still use it, just shorten the driveshaft. [smilie=e:
 
The long tailshafts were used in the B, C & E bodies, but the front mount shifter was only used in the B's & C's.

68 was the first year that VIN #'s were stamped on trannies.

Ma didn't build the "New Process" 833 "til 64, but the 64 used a flanged rear shaft.

The shifter may have been changed, but originally the Hurst was used in 64 & 65 and not again 'til midyear 68.

So, what you have is a 65, 66 or 67 B or C trans, but probably a 65.

best I can do. [smilie=e:
 
There's no such thing as "big block" or "small block" on Mopar 4-speeds, really. 361s, 383s, and 400s all came with 23-spline input shafts--just like a small-block--though the Hemi and 440 unit used an 18-spline input. You don't have one of those, or even the 23-spline close-ratio... and I know that because going by the aluminum main case and the flipped 3-4 shift lever (the front one), what you've got there is an extra-wide-ratio overdrive truck transmission (they never used long-tail ODs in any passenger car). However, it will fit and function in B/C/E-body models, as well as trucks and vans. It uses a 5.125" front-bearing retainer, which is small-block only, but it can be swapped out for the normal 4.80" unit used with muscle-era bellhousings, big or small-block... or, you can have the outer diameter machined down to 4.80" if you want.

Yes, it's an 833, and yes, it's plenty stout, but a lot of folks don't dig the gear spacing. It works best with a 3.23 or 3.55. The first gear ratio is 3.09:1 so anything deeper than that (like a 3.91) makes for a very-short first gear, and the .73:1 overdrive fourth makes anything taller than a 3.23 less fun in the top two gears (though a 2.94 gear would probably be livable).

I've had a couple of cars with that type of transmission, and I think all the ado about the gear-ratio spacing is overwrought. After all, the two middle gears are nearly identical to 2nd and 3rd gears in a 727 or 904, and you get the hard launch of the low first and the long legs of the overdrive. If you have a stock engine, or a nice, wide powerband, the trans actually works well... it's not so hot with a peaky HP monster, though. With gas being what it is right now, a trans like that makes sense if you really like to drive your 4-speed car.

I know one very hobby-prominent Mopar enthusiast that's had just such a transmission in his 1967 Hemi Coronet R/T for at least 20 years with no trouble whatsoever.
 
68R/T said:
The long tailshafts were used in the B, C & E bodies, but the front mount shifter was only used in the B's & C's.

68 was the first year that VIN #'s were stamped on trannies.

Ma didn't build the "New Process" 833 "til 64, but the 64 used a flanged rear shaft.

The shifter may have been changed, but originally the Hurst was used in 64 & 65 and not again 'til midyear 68.

So, what you have is a 65, 66 or 67 B or C trans, but probably a 65.

best I can do. [smilie=e:[/quote]

Hey 68, it's a duel position tranny. It's used in '70 an up. Beore that they're single posion trannies. 1964-1969 the hump is in the front of the tranny with short rods. The later models have long rods, like you would find in a '71 GTX. [smilie=e:
 
71GTX & 68R/T: Not only is it dual-position, it's aluminum with a flipped 3-4 lever. Y'all skip my post entirely? :D
 
Dr.Jass said:
71GTX & 68R/T: Not only is it dual-position, it's aluminum with a flipped 3-4 lever. Y'all skip my post entirely? :D

Well, y'know...it was kinda long and full of information, facts n' stuff...

...I'm thinkin' 68 fell asleep and 71 got distracted 'fore he finished it....:D
 
Doc, the shifter was not on the trans when I got it, don't even know if it belongs on this trans, I just slapped it on there to see if this thing would go thru the gears. I guess I'll have to open it up and have a look inside and see what gears are in side...
 
Did you install the fork levers, too? Or just pop the linkage through them?

It doesn't matter: an aluminum case with a "PP" stamping and an iron tail, it's an overdrive. Period. No need to open it up.
 
I can't even tell ya for sure where it came from(but I could ask) I assumed it was outta the charger, which is a 440 eng. I guess the other part is over the last 30yrs, what may have been changed on the car(if in fact it was in this car) ? [smilie=e:
In other words I don't know squat! [smilie=e:
I'm a big help aint I! [smilie=e: Rich.
 

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