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I saw an A7 last week, and my first thought was, "What the hell is that?"

I mean, I knew it was an Audi, they are easy to spot, but I hadn't seen anything other than the 4, 6, and 8 before.
 
Yeah, those S8's are pretty slick lookin. I think there were a few years that it was the same car as a Jetta. :D
 
after throwing some cars on some scales its TERIFYING how much heavier most new cars are compared to what we love

as for overall quality gimmy something pre 70s if its american and pre 85 if anyone else made it...i say this cause the rest of the world carried the solid quality alot longer than we did.....docs 100% right on "wear parts" most parts arnt made to last they are spindly light and ment to not last...where our old stuff was ment for rough roads and abuse.....be it car or truck...and again he is 100% right on the MPG its all about weight and gearing...put a modern EFI setup on an old car tweak the gears and youll get more fun and more mpg than the car that engine came out of

ive come more and more to love the 70-80s alfas..light nimble fast quick agile small and they get a TON of looks.and good on gas.the downfall its parts avialibility
 
I had a '78 d100. It was a regular cab long bed /6 automatic 2wd. It weighed about 3700 lbs. My '09 regular cab SHORT bed hemi truck (though it's a v8 it also has a plastic intake and aluminum heads) weighs over 4600 lbs with VERY little gas in it. One thing about pickup trucks is that as the bodies have gotten thinner and thinner, the frames have gotten stronger and stronger. NO pickup truck from the 70's has anywhere NEAR as stiff of a frame as a new truck. Aerodynamics are also much better. I forget what the CD of my truck is, but it's very low for a pickup truck. Like, industry-leading low for the model year.
 
Dr.Jass said:
Wear parts are smaller and made from faster-wearing material to try and save the weight of safety equipment and comfort/convenience options.....
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Oh and I change LOTS of em. :D


New vehicles are freaking heavy. Christina's '08 Avenger 2.4L weighs almost 3,500lbs.


They are also a heck of a lot stronger.
 
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just finally read this thread.

The lease program that the dealers used is very similar to the John Deere program. Keep paying and you can upgrade every two years. A bunch of farmers in my area have played that John Deere payment program and continue to do so. I shake my head and wonder why they keep paying? Great you have a new tractor but the bank owns it and the last 4 of them as well.

A family friend just jumped into the John Deere payment program and has a bunch of new tractors and then added other John Deere things that they keep paying on. One comment that caught me was "we were looking at a new combine and for $200 more a month we could get the 4wd so we got it"

Some people just need to have new stuff all the time to keep up with the Jones' ....
 
Very true. The hope is that they'll keep you in one of their cars, and that when the lease expires on the old car you'll want to hop in a new one. Of course, the one you're giving them has to be below the mileage quota and in flawless shape, or you pay penalties which can be significant. When my friend leased his Ram, he had no intention of keeping it, but when the lease came due it was like divorce--it was cheaper to keep 'er. Well, he leased the truck in '99 and still has it. It's got well over 200K miles on it and has been very good to him, even though he's worked it pretty hard. He more than got his money's worth from it... but had he just bought it outright in the first place, he would've been way ahead financially. Part of it is the silliness of putting a 48,000-mile lease restriction on a vehicle in Atlanta. Hell, he commutes nearly 80 miles each day, never mind errands, picking up his daughter, etc.
 
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Hell, he commutes nearly 80 miles each day, never mind errands, picking up his daughter, etc.
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Sounds like down here, for a while I was running that each way.

I was listening to the details of a flease on a new Ram, and you get 10,800 miles per year.

I run an average 30K per year, granted I do work the around entire D/FW Metroplex which encompasses 9,286 square miles, so I guess I'm a little low. :D

They created the auto lease for 2 types of people, those that don't understand math and for the vain.
 
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