Any knowledgeable about Ford FEs?

Dr.Jass

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This is my friend's 1965 Ford intake manifold. There are no casting numbers on it, though it's marked "FoMoCo" and dated "12-64". I've done some research on FE intakes, and it's not 390 as they were iron intakes by 1965. The '66-style 428 Police Interceptor intake does not have nearly as large a carb pad, and besides, this would be a year too early. The only other intake I can find that uses oval holes on the carb flange is 427 medium-riser, but I can't find pictures of it and information is sketchy.

I'd like to help this guy identify what it is. It's already at a pretty-high bid for a used intake with a broken carb stud, but if this truly is a 427 intake it's worth a lot more since 427s were pretty damned rare in the first place.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
ford wasnt always good about marking there shit...and in that is the problem lol....hell it could even be a FT part(ford truck)
 
Did an FT motor ever come with an aluminum intake? I did a head job on a 391 once (admittedly, it was later, a '74 if I remember) and it had the typical 4000 lb cast iron 4 bbl intake you'd expect on such a thing.
 
It's definitely not FT. From what I've found, they never made an FT intake in aluminum, and every one I've found is low-riser. This is definitely a medium-riser intake. I know because it's sitting on the pool table in my basement.

The guy that owns it also has a 427 side-oiler-only Sidewinder intake, a 427 side-oiler block and crank as well as LeMans rods, and a pair of tunnel-port 427 heads. He knows what he's got, overall, but this intake is a mystery to everyone so far.
 
The only intakes I were able to find with the oval holes in aluminum were the 427 intake I think this might be, and the 428 Police Interceptor intake, later copied in cast iron for the 428CJ and 428SCJ. The carb pad on the 428 intake is totally different, and I can't find pictures of the 427 intake. I'm not sure, but I think this may be an original Cobra or GT40 intake. From what I've found, the fact that it has a date code makes it a production part... and what else was available with a single-four-barrel 427 in 1965?
 
back when i was hunting ft parts cause i had a 352..i came across a handfull of aluminum low rise in trucks.(even came across a fuel injected STOCK y block ford truck).none of which had any markings aside from a date and fireing order....but it sounds like youve ID'd it
 
It's just been a process of elimination, really. The aluminum PI intake (as well as the 428 itself) wasn't available until 1966, and this carb pad is totally different. There were earlier 390 single-four intakes that were aluminum, but they all had individual throttle bores as did the vast majority of FE/FT intakes and most alloy ones were low-riser. Considering the hood mods needed to clear a high-riser intake, I know it's not one of those.

The only medium-riser intakes I can find online are the 428PI and the 427. I can't find a pic of the 427 piece, but it supposedly has a casting number. Though I can't see it, I'm thinking someone ground the numbers off this one.

In 1965, all 390s were cast-iron intake. Realistically, for an HP application that leaves the 427. What was built with a single four-barrel 427 in '65 other than a Cobra or GT40? I realize that a lot of the Cobras were S/C models with dual four-barrels, but the street-going version was a single four.
 
I know someone who would most likley know what it is. If you want to take a ride I can come get you and the intake and we can go see him. He lives here in Norway.
 
I've gotten lots of help, but no solutions on this one. One friend on Facebook said he'd had a similar intake that brought well over $1000 on eBay. We'll see, I guess. The same guy had an original 289 Cobra bellhousing that brought almost $3,000. I know this, because I wrote the auction for him and watched it. At the time, he was my next-door neighbor.

I've looked at so many FE intakes, I'm ready to puke Ford blue.
 
It turns out there are two different 1966 428 Police Interceptor intakes, an early and a late. The early one, casting number C6AE-9425-E, is nearly a dead ringer for this thing but there are some differences: This one does not have the mounting bosses for the throttle bracket atop the #8 runner (remember, Ford's cylinders are numbered differently: 1-2-3-4 down the passenger's side, 5-6-7-8 down the driver's). It does not have the angled boss for a vacuum fitting in the #1/#6 runner junction, nor does it have the angled vacuum boss between #3 and #4. Also, though there's a provision for it, the hole for the oil-fill tube is not machined on the C6AE-9425-E as the oil fill moved to the valve cover at the start of the 1966 model year.

I just got off the phone with a friend of mine that's a Ford fanatic. He owned a '66 428 Police Interceptor, which he bought for the engine. He was looking at the pics in the auction, and as we talked it through we tentatively concluded that going by the casting date, similar markings, and lack of throttle and vacuum provisions as well as a casting number, this is possibly a prototype intake for the 1966 428PI. It could also be a C5AE-9425-T but I can't find a clear picture of that intake despite much searching... but if it is, where's the casting number?
 
Dude, it's Art. He's a Chandler. They luck into stuff like crazy.

Who else, while still a Chevy guy, asks the manager of Norway North "What are you gonna do with that cylinder head?" and the manager gives it to him. It turns out to be a geniune '71 Boss 351 head, so he hangs onto it. 7 years later, a guy walks into an unrelated parts store where Art's working. Dude just blew up his engine, and asks Art, "Do you know anyone looking for a single '71 Boss 351 head? It comes with valves and roller rockers for both heads." Art never mentioned he had a matching head at home. He stole that setup!

Who else could buy two Predators from two different people over a year apart, and have them each have half the dual-quad tunnel-ram linkage he needed?

Maybe his Dad could, since Will paid like $900 for a mud truck he eventually sold for more after pulling the running, driving, virgin-bore medium-riser 427 Side-Oiler that was in it!
 
I could find no evidence of aluminum marine or industrial intakes, all of which seem to be low-riser on top of being cast iron. Also, everything I've found has a casting number, including the C5AE-9425-T. The lack of a casting number is why Nitro Al hinted at the fact that this may be a prototype of some kind. Parts weren't issued numbers until they were approved for production, so it would make sense (especially with the casting date) that it could be a prototype for the C6AE-9425-E.

The C6AE-9425-E intake. Compare it to the auction photos and you'll see the missing bosses. You'll also see the cast pad for the oil-fill tube present on the '66 Police Interceptor intake that was not machined, since after 1965 all passenger-car engines had the oil-fill tube on the valve cover. Nitro Al confirmed all this, and he's puzzled. Hence the thought it may be a prototype or the virtually nonexistent single-four Cobra intake of 1965, which may well be the C5AE-9425-T. No one seems to know much about either.

I have a feeling that by auction's end, at least a couple of the bidders will wish they'd taken the "Buy it Now" at $350. 70 watchers, 400 views on something virtually no one seems to be able to identify. :dance:

I went through this with my 4.30 gears for the 9¼", which apparently was the only set ever made.
 
Wow! That sold for alot less than I thought it would. Perhaps it didn't go "ape shit" because of the lack of definite info.
 
Yeah, I think that hurt it as well. If Arthur gets off his butt, it'll be interesting to see where the Sidewinder ends.
 
Me too. That one will be fun to watch for sure. Did you tell Nitro Al about that one when you had him on the phone?
 
I don't think so. The Sidewinder is apparently still the best factory manifold for the FE. That surprises me with the offset carb, but apparently that makes the most power and was 427 only originally.

I know a lot more about FE intakes than I ever cared to know at this point.
 
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