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71ChargerRT

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Working on my '71 Charger, I'm installing a 400; I need an engine wiring harness, headers, battery tray, brackets and pulleys prefer non-A/C, but I'll take whatever, ummm I think '68 back B motor points distributor (going with Pertronix ignition, I forget why I was specified those years, Doc?).
Do I need a different accelerator cable, was a teener, now a 400 4 barrel?


:hmmm: I know there's more, but it's escaping me right now.


Figured I'd start the roundup here. :2thumbs:
 
The distributor can be any year with an aluminum body through 1972, as long as it's a single-point unit.

You'll definitely need to change the throttle cable and its mounting bracket; if you're not using an OEM carb you'll need a throttle-lever adapter as well. If you're sticking with the automatic, you'll need new throttle-pressure (kickdown) linkage as well as the 318 stuff just won't reach. You could modify yours, though it won't be pretty. The later 1-piece kickdown linkage is a lot less troublesome, which is something to consider while shopping for kickdown linkage. Back to the throttle cable, make sure you get the right one; the small-block cable is longer and will likely kink where it comes out of the firewall. Voice of experience: the multi-strand cable will abrade and fray inside the housing, and your throttle will stick... most likely when it's wide open. Rather harrowing with a high-powered big-block, I must admit. If you're going to go with a ridiculous high-rise intake like an M1 single-plane, believe it or not you'll want a Slant Six throttle cable... but for the same reasons above, don't put one in it until the intake is in place.

Avoid later AC bracket setups for the gargantuan 100A Leece-Neville alternator; you'll thank me when you have to replace that pricey bastard. Another benefit of going with the standard brackets is that the Nipple Density (Nippondenso) high-amp alternators from the early '90s trucks are a drop-in replacement. However, a couple of cautions if you make that upgrade: you will definitely want to upgrade the main power feed from the alternator to the battery with 8-gauge or larger wire, and forget about your in-dash ammeter. The ammeter is only designed for 40A. Wire it directly to the starter relay and from there to the battery. In the immortal words of Phil Hartman's Frankenstein on Saturday Night Live, "Fire BAD!" :D Very important: make sure the bracketry and pulleys you get is the same year range as the water-pump housing you've got, and check your radiator as well. In 1973, it all changed and the water-pump inlet/lower radiator outlet moved to the passenger's side. If you plan to use the original radiator from the LA engine, you'll want to go with the '73 and newer setup--pulleys and all. You won't like me much (not that you did to start with) when I tell you on my last scrap run, an entire '73-style pump-housing setup with the brackets, pulleys, and bolts still attached got turned into tomorrow's Toyota.

On the engine harness, the only thing you need to do is lengthen the primary coil wiring unless you go with the Itchypussy-style (Mitsubishi/ND) alternator. If you had factory electronic ignition, you'd also have to lengthen the distributor wires. Every other wire in the bay will work with the 400, right down to the sender wires. Unless your harness is missing or in really-bad shape, I'd suggest you just cut and splice the coil wires (solder and heat-shrink tubing, obviously). Yes, it's really that simple.

The last time I checked (and I'll be honest, it was a long time ago) the bracketry was being reproduced and the throttle cable was still available new. Bouchillon makes very-good conversion throttle-pressure cables (to replace the linkage), I'm told, but I've never dealt with one personally. DO NOT drive the car without some kind of throttle-pressure linkage/cable, or your trans will fail in very short order... like, minutes.
 
I have the kickdown from the 'Doba, I had the brackets and pulleys but I've no idea where they went. If I had part numbers that may help, I have a bunch of brackets and pulleys. The radiator is good to go, 3 row from the Charger is awesome. I have an alternator from Spawn's Dakota, Nipple Density of course.

I toasted a trans in my Challenger because of the lack of kickdown, I'm familiar... I do want to toss a rebuild kit in it, I've come this far I might as well take that step too. I have the print outs you gave me on the trans mods, I'll do them when I'm in there. Are there any special tools I'll need to rebuild a 727?

Thanks for the electrical tips, I'll check the harness before I shit can it.

Anything I can do with the lean burn dist? Besides use it for a core.
 
if you can id pulleys..ive got a PILE of them....
while the nipo alt is nice..ive come to respect the gm 1 wire setups..as much as i hate the way they look
 
Oh, and if you get a rebuild kit for the 727, make sure it's got Red Alto clutches and use a TH400 snap ring in the front drum... again, the voice of experience.
 
Does the Lean Burn distributor have a vacuum canister on it?

All Mopar aluminum dizzies are the same casting, but the smallblocks are the wrong rotation. If you swap the shaft and install a big block canister, you're good to go. The internal parts from a cast iron dizzy will work in an alum. The main differences are related to shaft length & rotation. The easiest ones to find are for your app are the 383's.
 
Does the Lean Burn distributor have a vacuum canister on it?
Yes I believe it does, but I think the old guy already enswered that. So 68, Can I gut it and rebuild it with points/Pertronix internals? Probably cheaper ($38) and definitely easier to just go pick up a reman and go that route. Ignitor or Ignitor II?

if you can id pulleys..ive got a PILE of them....
while the nipo alt is nice..ive come to respect the gm 1 wire setups..as much as i hate the way they look
I don't like GM, and I have the alternator harness from a Dakota. I'll see what I can find in part numbers and pics on pulleys. Wish you were closer so I could come dig some out.

Oh, and if you get a rebuild kit for the 727, make sure it's got Red Alto clutches and use a TH400 snap ring in the front drum... again, the voice of experience.
Will this this one work? And Type F trans fluid I assume?
Would this be a worthwhile upgrade? http://www.aandatrans.com/Products/...th-Springs-and-Rollers-(1966-Up)__K22961.aspx This trans will eventually see some time behind the big motor.

I eventually want this it'll give me space to add boost & pyro gauges. I'll get one of those hidden radio things with the remote, IF I decide to add one later.
 
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Not all Lean Burn aluminum distributors have the opening machined for a vacuum canister. Also, a lot of Lean Burn distributors have no mechanical advance mechanism whatsoever. You have to remove the pickup plate to find out, but it can be retrofitted. If you go with an electronic-ignition distributor, the reluctor must be changed out to a rubbing block for points or the Pertronix won't fit as the flying-magnet assembly only fits on a rubbing block. Many of the cast-iron distributors you find anymore are Prestolite, and literally none of the Prestolite stuff works in the aluminum body. Keep that in mind. I don't have experience with the Ignitor II, but if it's anywhere near the quality of the original and the claims are true, it certainly couldn't hurt to upgrade. A couple of other things to keep in mind: you can swap the guts, but you absolutely need to swap the advance canister as well because of the rotation difference and if you plan to upgrade to the 440 later, I'd suggest finding a 440 distributor now and using the readily-available spacer and hold down kit to put an RB distributor in a B block. Part of the reason I say that is because distributors seem to have the highest production variance I've ever seen, and swapping the shaft usually results in breaking the plastic retaining collar. The roll pin location is all over the map. Just go find a 413/426/440 single-point aluminum distributor, make your upgrades, and buy the spacer kit. LIsten to me now, or wish you had later.

If you use an early Dakota alternator for the ND, the harness is unnecessary. It's eassentially a plug-in, bolt-on deal. If the alternator uses more than 3 wires total, back up a few years. 1990-'91 are usually the ones that are easiest, if memory serves.

That's the exact trans rebuild kit I used in my 727, only years back it was available through MP, which is where I got mine. You might want to call before purchase and make sure it still comes with the cast-iron bands. The stamped steel bands are garbage as the apply fixtures on the end are spot-welded in place and known for tearing off. If you put a 5:1 kickdown lever in it (I wouldn't), it's guaranteed that a spot-welded end is coming off. With that TCI kit, you absolutely must use the TH400 snap ring on the front drum. It does not come in the kit, nor does that kit come with instructions of any kind to tell you that. When I got mine, it was a box full of parts and an inventory list, and that's it. The TH400 snap ring is a dealer item which should still be available. Without that snap ring, under any kind of power, you will lose 3rd gear completely before you have 20K miles on it. I've already experienced this.The bolt-in sprag is a good idea, too. While the trans is apart, though, you're going to want to inspect the rear of case for cracks in the overrunning-clutch area. Look at the back of the main case from the inside once it's disassembled. If there are cracks back there, no matter how minor, the case is trash. It will never work correctly (ask Stretch). Even with the bolt-in sprag, never do burnouts in first gear. Start with first to get the tires going but hit second as soon as you possibly can... when that overrunning clutch lets go, it's always violent and very-often fiery. Even 4 grand in first during a burnout is a no-no with a Torqueflite, no matter how well-built it is.

The gauge cluster is your call. I only see room for speedo, tach, oil pressure, water temp, voltmeter and fuel level. Personal choice, I guess. I had the cluster bezel in the Black Bitch painted black, and I hated it. I also found that the stock gauges in that era are deadly accurate if you use a solid-state cluster VR.
 
Why don't you want electronic ignition in this thing? Did I miss somthing?
 
Why don't you want electronic ignition in this thing? Did I miss somthing?

I do want electronic ignition, just not OE stuff. I like the Pertronix better, besides it's easier and cheaper to wire in that than it will be to install the MP kit.

I think you're right 68, reman distributors are only $38. And I have a few small block cores and that lean burn core lying around:toot:.

The Edelbrock MPFI I want comes with all the ignition pieces in the kit so I really don't have to put anything else together for it. I wish they had the same setup for the low deck.
 
The Edelbrock MPFI I want comes with all the ignition pieces in the kit so I really don't have to put anything else together for it. I wish they had the same setup for the low deck.
They do... you just have to use Stage VI heads. :D

Yeah, I'm with 68R/T on the distributor thing too. The last time I saw one of those spacer kits it was about $28. The only downside to the Pertronix setup is if that something goes wrong, you're looking at extended downtime waiting on parts. However, I've yet to see one go bad, so...
 
They do... you just have to use Stage VI heads. :D
Ummmm, no :D


Yeah, I'm with 68R/T on the distributor thing too. The last time I saw one of those spacer kits it was about $28. The only downside to the Pertronix setup is if that something goes wrong, you're looking at extended downtime waiting on parts. However, I've yet to see one go bad, so...
I can always order a second :D

I did see that Autozone offers a similar setup under their Duralast brand, here, and a Mallory part also, here, know anything about them Fishy? There's a dual point replacement too, for about 60% of the price :doh:All special order though :doubt:
 
The Mallory setup is far more expensive; from the looks of it the Duralast setup uses the rotor as the basis for the flying magnets. That can't be a cheap tune-up part. I'd stick with Pertronix.
 
One quick note about the plastic shaft retainer and roll pin. When you "punch" it out make damn sure you put it back on the way it came off. If you turn (as in spin. not flip) it 180 deg. on the shaft the holes won't line up perfictly and it WILL break. It may look like its lined up but it won't be. Also be very gentle when driving the roll pin back in. If it does break, the retainer kit is still avalible through MOPAR. I have a new kit and I can get you the part# if needed. It might not be a bad Idea to get a new kit anyway. The retainer won't be brittle. You have to drill the roll pin hole in the new retainer. Slide it on the shaft and drill it while its on the shaft to be sure the holes are perfictly lined up.
 
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I rebuild distributors and have metal collars if needed. The factory nylon ones crack and fall off when they get britlle and the nos are also old. Whatever you do do not use the ones with the set screw thy can fall out and usually wear the lower distributor bushing also.
 
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