Future classics under 20K`

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Interesting.

My brother sent me this.
http://autos.sympatico.ca/photos-videos/2776/20-future-classics-for-less-than-20-000/1

Of course it's really based on their opinion and some would argue, but it's still an interesting topic.

I know that the Dodge Spirit R/T has a loyal following. I find the Ford Eplorer Eddie Bauer an interesting pick. I might have to reconsider getting rid of my wife's 2002.

Rather than argue the merits of their choices, let's ask this question:
What car - that is not yet considered classic - would you add to the list?
 
With the manufactorers of today believing that everyone wants either an SUV or minivan, I think any domestic coupe or drop-top will be a classic tomorrow.

But then again, I'm just an olde phart that has watched this industry for a long time------what do I know? :huh:
 
Early-'90s Shadow ES/Plymouth Duster with the 3.0 V6/5-speed drivetrain. A hoot to drive, cheap to buy and maintain, and the vast majority of them were automatics. Get a coupe!

Any year Probe GT. While I thought the first generation hideous to view, the turbo engine was a blast. The 2nd-gen cars were miuch prettier, and achieved similar fun-to-drive levels without boost.

Chevy Citation X/11. Amazing what a body kit, a V6, and a five-speed could do for the downtrodden X-body.

'80-'83 J-body Mopars (Mirada, LS, Cordoba) as well as the '81-'83 Imperial. Perhaps I'm a little impartial, but they were the last rear-drive coupes the "real" Chrysler Corporation ever produced. In particular, T-top or moonroof cars, or even better the '80-only E58 360-4v models. Any Imperial with functioing EFI is rare as hell (mine's been swapped to a carb). You may laugh at this one, but a few years ago I would have laughed if you told me people would pay over $75K for a late second-gen F-body GM. I saw an '80 Turbo Trans Am go for something like $78K, and a '79 Trans Am SE (403/auto) break the $80K mark at Barrett-Jackson in the last few years.

Factory 305 V8 Chevrolet Monzas. When I worked at the local country club, there was an older gentleman with a factory black/red-gut 305 Monza with a 4-speed manual. It was absolutely immaculate with the quad-rectangle headlamps, front spoiler, wheel spats and ducktail spoiler, summer driven only. He'd bought the car new, and told me that it was not available with a 4-barrel, so he'd had the local Chevrolet dealership order a complete induction setup from a same-year Z/28 and had it installed before he picked up the car. I don't know that I've ever seen another 305 Monza, but I've driven 267 V8 Monzas, and those were pretty impressive considering how sluggish the 267 was in larger models.

1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and 1970 Plymouth Superbird. Despite their strange looks, they might really be worth something someday due to rarity... we'll see. :D

Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupes of any year, though the '83-'85 model to my eye is by far the prettiest. The Super Coupes were fun, too, but didn't deliver nearly the excitement of the Turbo cars. Those turbo 2.3Ls made a pretty impressive amount of power, and passing the 3K mark on the tach with your foot in the water pump was like getting smacked in the brain stem with a 9-iron.

Any turbo Merkur, be it the XR4Ti or the Scorpio. They were never common and kinda goofy-lookin' but they were fast, good-handling cars with a lot of luxury. These were actually common European Fords, but they were rare in the US under the short-lived Merkur nameplate. As has long been the case, European Fords were far superior to the US offerings at the time.

'84-'86 Ford Mustang SVO. Simply the fastest Mustang you could buy at the time, and pretty rare as well. Rare features, too, such as 5-lug wheels which would not appear on another Fox-plat Mustang until '94; SVO-only suspension geometry with factory Koni adjustable dampers at all four corners, SVO-only pedals to aid in heel-and-toe driving, 16" wheels and 4-wheel disc brakes well before the GT got them, and a healthy 175-205HP depending on year from the intercooled 2.3L 4-banger. Add to that disticntive, if not attractive front=end styling and the biplane rear spoiler and its inherent rarity, and it's a sure bet for the future.

Shelby GLH (regardless of turbo), GLH-S, and GLH-S II (Charger body), as well as the fairly-rare Shelby Lancer and other actual Shelby skunkworks Mopars. The Shelby name got thrown around a lot, but the Shelby Lancer was a lot better package than the Lancer Shelby. If it has a Shelby Automobiles numbered plaque on it, it's going to be worth something someday. Standard Dodge Shelby models, not so much. There's a dealer here in town who's had an '83 Shelby Charger (non-turbo that year) with a price tag of $3K on it since shortly after I graduated high school. The Shelby wheels are gone, the steering wheel is a cheesy chrome 3-spoke foam-grip deal, and the car's sat since at least 1990. It's in decent shape body-wise but needs help nearly everywhere else. It doesn't have the panache of a Turbo or a Shelby-produced car, and I expect it will sit even longer. He recently put it out by the road to get some attention for it, but I don't expect that will help the poor carbed-2.2L car sell.

1978 Dodge Magnums with the 400-4v engine. The last big-block Dodge coupe ever built, and reasonably attractive as well. Bonus points for moonroof/T-top cars, even higher bonus points for GTs (which used Super Coupe-style wheels). You can always explain to people that the Dodge Aries-lookin' grille came 3 years before the K-car, too! That grille style always kept me from falling completely in love with the aforementioned Miradas, by the way. I thought the Chrysler LS (slightly glorified '80-'82 Cordoba-based coupe with 300-style marknigs) a far-better-looking machine.

Any E58 360 F-body coupe. I know where there's a clean '79 four-door sitting, rare because it's not a K-code police car. Someone ordered a sedan with the 360-4v! Rare, yes. Desirable? Not likely.

I think the list posted is interesting, but I see a long time before people really start seeking out a lot of those cars. If you've got the cash, the space, and the patience I think many of those cars would be worth grabbing. If you're looking for sub-$20K cars that will bring a better return on investment in a shorter term I think my list has better options. As people of my generation age and get more settled with wealth, they'll look to the cars of their youth. Yes, I almost bought a Spirit R/T when I was married and I loved that car, but if the money were the same I'd enjoy something I remember as a kid, marvelling at it on the lot or as a nearly-new car. Also, the R/T's Turbo III engine is expensive to maintain... call Vato Zone and price up plug wires sometime. R/T enthusiasts know the drawbacks.

I also got a chuckle on the RX-7 Turbo... at least, the generation they pictured. That's the least-desirable of the RX-7s, as they became overweight luxury-laden pigs in the second generation. If you want a collectible RX-7, you either go early-1st gen (the '79 with the Mikuni 4-barrel is a scream) or 3rd gen. The 3g cars are great, but if you manage to find the rare R1 or even-more-rare R2, wear a kidney belt unless you're on perfect pavement. Fast as hell, but the R1/R2 models will hammer your kidneys out through your shoulders, the R2 being far worse than the R1, which only gets tiring on longer drives if you're used to old Mopars.

That's my list. Discuss amongst yourselves. I am verklempt.
 
Doc, good list, really like the SVO Stang, but you forgot thr 1st and 2nd gen SHO's 3rd is just a POS!
How about the Dodge SST pick up, and the Dakota R/T.
 
i have to actualy agree with doc's list..add to that the shelby dakotas, and sheby omni...as well as the turbo minivans..there getting rarer and were limited production to begin with...then id shoot at some f the less known..the balloco gtv6, the twinspark milano, 25th aniversery datsun/nissan z, MK2 festiva.....its a euro only thing and there nasty, some of the 80's soobies..like the last model of the brat...the turbo rampages
 
The Ram SST is a good one; I dont think in terms of trucks so I missed all of those. The Shelby Dakota falls in with what I said about anything with a numbered Shelby plaque; there's actually a ratty convertible Shelby Dak around here. The Shelby Omni was the GLH listed, both in turbo and naturally-aspirated versions, and four-door only. The NA GLH actually used a hotter cam, shaved deck to increase compression (necessitating a shorter timing belt) and revised jetting in the carb. They were pretty quick little machines for what they were. If memory serves, all GLH Omnis were 5-speeds; I know all GLH-S (four-door Omni) and GLHS II cars were. The Turbo Shelby Chargers were not numbered skunkworks cars, but they sure are a fun package and though not as collectible as the numbered cars I'm sure they'll increase in value as the years pass.

Subaru Brats are already escalating in price. They were a cool little rig, but even in non-salt areas they were rusting away after a few years. Around these parts, Subies were universally beating like pre-runner off-road trucks regardless of body style... oh, the fun we had in a late '70s wagon when I was in high school.

How about this one: Any 2WD Nissan/Datsun or Toyota pickup of the late '70s or '80s in stone-stock condition? How many of those were spared during the ghastly "mini-truck" craze? :D
 
very true on the pickups..and the rest are vanishing and becoming 4WD's and being beat to death...along with the old samauri's
 
How about this one: Any 2WD Nissan/Datsun or Toyota pickup of the late '70s or '80s in stone-stock condition?
Yanno, when I started as a driver at the parts store in 1980 we first had '75 Datsun 620 pickups. New guys always got them; they had a shear pin in the trans in 3rd gear that any kinda monkey business (speedshift) broke. Calling on the radio for a non-moving truck = dismissal. Guys in the shop got good, could change one out in an hour or so. They were fun, but folding my 6'2" frame into them got tiring, we moved up to Arrow pickups with 2.0's. Now one of those or an early D50 with a turbodiesel......:gaga:
 
The Monza Jass speaks of was a hoot to drive! I worked on it more than once a few years back (about 15 or so).

Another one I worked on and was a shit pile of fun to drive was an AMC Gremlin that an elderly lady in town had. I worked on it many times. It was a 360 4-speed, twin grip diff car. It had super low gears, 4.10s perhaps. That thing had factory orange paint with hockey stick stripes, factory aluminum slot wheels, wood grain three-spoke steering wheel, wood grain shifter knob with counsel and full gauges with tach.

I don’t remember it saying Gremlin X anywhere on it but I could have. She would come in to the shop every few months complaining about it running rough. I would take it out and beat the piss out of it. It was fast and fun to drive! After the beating it would run like a top.

I would like to know where that car is now. If it survived I think I would bring it home.
 
Subies were universally beating like pre-runner off-road trucks regardless of body style... oh, the fun we had in a late '70s wagon when I was in high school.


So where did we find the license plate?:D
 
I find most of those cars on that list as exciting as a KIA Neva with the more powerful 1.6 engine...:doh:
 
The Ram SST is a good one; I dont think in terms of trucks so I missed all of those. The Shelby Dakota falls in with what I said about anything with a numbered Shelby plaque; there's actually a ratty convertible Shelby Dak around here.
Along with the Shelby Dakota, I'd think the uber rare 87-90 Rod Hall Dodges would be a good investment, truck wise. I'm also seeing quite a bit of interest in Macho trucks, and considering their rather high attrition rate, survivors may be money in the bank at some point.
 
The license-plate episode was in my Toyota, Stretch... another car that got the living tar beaten out of it on a regular basis. The license plate was stuck in the tree like a throwing knife, high enough up that the guy who retrieved it for me had to stand atop the roll bars in his CJ5 to get it. That Jeep had a spring-over conversion plus 5" of suspension lift, 2" of body lift, and sat on 38"-tall tires. :D

They can't all be winners, Rob. In the budget market it's harder and harder to find what we consider classics. Plus, as the people who were kids in the era those cars represent age, they'll be more interested in the cars of their youth than a 340 'Cuda. One of my former co-workers (our man Pants) has a very-nice '80 Monte Carlo that used to be his Mom's. It's a 350 with the complete Edelbrock Power Package from the deck surfaces up. He hasn't touched it in a couple of years, yet he treats his '92 Lumina Z34 auto better than most guys treat their Ferraris. He bought that Z34 as a rollover and actually paid out-of-pocket to have a new GM roof and several other panels installed, since aftermarket wasn't good enough for it. Pants is around 24 years old and remembers from his youth his cousin's Z34. Go figure. The car has as many styling cues as a a carrot.

Those Rod Hall Dodges are pretty rare? I guess I never thought about 'em much--I thought they were cool--but there were at least 3 of 'em in this podunk little town. They're probably all crushed now. I don't know if they had a name for 'em, but there was a '79 or '80 Power Wagon in a nearby junkyard that was black with big honkin' yellow, orange, and red stripes that came from the taillamp area, then turned down on the doors to form the word DODGE at the bottom of the doors. Cool-lookin' rig, and I remember a few of those around way back when as well.
 
Those Rod Hall Dodges are pretty rare? I guess I never thought about 'em much--I thought they were cool--but there were at least 3 of 'em in this podunk little town. They're probably all crushed now. I don't know if they had a name for 'em, but there was a '79 or '80 Power Wagon in a nearby junkyard that was black with big honkin' yellow, orange, and red stripes that came from the taillamp area, then turned down on the doors to form the word DODGE at the bottom of the doors. Cool-lookin' rig, and I remember a few of those around way back when as well.
Super rare. A lot of time went by between each batch. The original 79 Rod Hall trucks, called The Force, totaled 15. There were in the neighborhood of 15-20 '87 signature trucks, and they all got recalled for suspension. Dodge didn't like the upgrades installed by Hall, so they changed 'em back to stock. I have no solid numbers on the '90 trucks, but it looks to be under 40. Good investment if one can be found.
 
Didn't someone on here once say the first gen neons will be the '71 hemi cuda of the '90s? LOL
 
Like most everything written by the dummies in the Auto section of Sympatico, this list sucks. I think it's fairly easy to tell that these folks don't know if they've been punched, bored, reamed or fucked-in-the-head.
A wood grain K car?
Cadillac Allante?
Nissan 300 ZX?
Give me a break.
I agree with a GN Buick, but most of the others weren't really much when they were new, let alone lasting long enough to make it to Classic Status in any numbers. They might have some loyal followings, like the 850 Turbo or the Audi, but classics? Not likely. Once these cars start to wear out (K cars might have been Chrysler's saviour but when was the last time you saw a couple of them on the road?) they were done. Who in their right-mind would restore one of these cars? And where would you find parts 25 years later. Ever try to repair rust on anything Japanese?
Sheese. :)
There's been some nice stuff built in the last couple of decades, but not too much that I think will make it to classic status, age alone not withstanding. Maybe the 454 SS trucks, or the Buick Turbo cars, most certainly late 70's early 80's F bodies.
 
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I still see quite a few K cars on the roads out here. I agree not classics by any means but they are still out there....or rather out here. :p
 

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