Chrysler out of Canada?

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giowest

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Just watched a story on the news that Ma is threatening to get out of Canada all together if big consesions are not made by the Canadian auto workers[smilie=f:

[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30266406/[/URL]
 
thats been the babble for awhile now ...

CAW is being supid and not realizing that they are stupid ... and the retards think they can get money ... in sacrifice of their jobs ... either ma goes belly up and no job .. or take big pay cut and have a job for years to come ..
seems logical to me


stupid over paid union idiots
 
For the most part I have no time for Unions...they had their day and we can't deny what they have done for workers in general in the past....but C'mon to be willing to loose your job over having to take a pay cut???:cash:
 
I'm in a union. Of course it's illegal for mail carriers to strike, but I digress. I am a firm believer that 75% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Some places need unions, the post office is a prime example, not so much for money, but to keep mgnt from treating people badly. My brother works(ed) for Ford, he has such an entitlement attitude it's unreal. He was one of the people that sat at home and collected a check for nothing. They took that and he threw an absolute fit. He turned down a job opening at a plant because it was a skill set lower than his.
Like I said, 75% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
 
Geez, I don't know about this.
I think the media is really playing up the "it'll be the union's fault if Chrysler goes under" thing...
No doubt there is room for the unions to give up a little, but wasn't the other part of the equation the stipulation that Chrysler's creditors cut them some slack?
 
Please read attached. Also is the letter from LaSorda and Nardelli.

http://www.windsorstar.com/Business...iculous+attack+autoworkers/1507048/story.html

http://www.windsorstar.com/Business/Letter+Message+from+LaSorda+Nardelli/1506591/story.html

Workers reaction makes me want to puke, especially since in the last few months my workplace has laid off about %20 of the workforce and we've had a 5% pay cut and benefit reductions.
It was done with everyone's begrudged blessing because everyone there knows the economic reality right now. We're an employee owned company, (everyone holds shares), everybody has access to the books, and it was all laid out before us. Pretty ugly :(
Just happy I have a damn job. Fuck the ENDLESS pissing and whining coming from the CAW. Most could only wish for anything approaching what they'll have even after broad cuts. If Chrysler does fold the first thing they'll do is ask the Government (i.e. everyone else) to bail their ass out pension wise and such.

Methinks heads may not pull out of collective asses in time :doubt:
 
The unions day is long gone. Fuck em. Honda and others are making changes needed to stay in business, wtf makes the union cocksuckers think they are special? If you are in a union, it is not your fault...my annoyance is to those who run them, and eventually fuck you over in your own name.
 
I agree with several above, F AND I MEAN FFFFFFFFFFF the unions and move Chrysler to Nevada a right to work state. Thats right FUCK all you Union bitches, go to damn work for a living and actually earn you pay.

Bring Chrysler prices down and lets all buy a new one. And if we are jerks for saying so, then compare the average salary, comp and retirement pay to MOST jobs in the states to Union jobs and then ad the cost of the Union fat cats who are bleeding everyone dry as well.

Dave
 
Oh, and F Obama. the taxocrates and the repiglocrates too! I will make my own way through these tough times. I dotn need your stinking handouts.

Dave

TED NUGENT for President.
 
Tell the workers that if they don't take the deal, they'll be denied government assistance when their plant closes down.

While that's sounds cold, it's logic that comes right from the workers' mouths. I've seen it on evening news: 'Bail us out now or bail us out later!"
Meaning, pay to help us keep working or you'll have to pay us to not work later.

That has to work both ways. Give up a little to keep working or stop working and get nothing.

Certainly, ALL folks that are unemployed are not to blame for their situation, but in this case where you are given an option and you make a choice, you have to be ready to live with that choice. No?

Isn't it current law in Canada that if you quit your job, you get zero assistance from Employment Insurance? (or has that changed. sorry, I haven't kept up with that stuff.)

One could argue that holding out against a deal - that gives you a choice - until your workplace closes is tantamount to quitting.

What might be worse in all of this is that I suspect that not all workers are of the same mind with regards to what needs to be done. Those that are willing to give some things up to keep working, are not getting the same amount of air time as the union execs. I guess it doesn't make for good "news."

Surely, there is some concern that giving up a few things is a slippery slope: we give a little and they keep asking for more. That's a fair concern. But, as project74's case relates, if all the facts are on the table, a fair plan of action can be determined.

Action like that requires trust. If that's the biggest argument to taking that route, then the wrong people are in charge - on both sides of the table.
 
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hell if any of the big three could ... ditch the union workers and hire people off the street for half the wage.

I bet people would line up for a job 50 miles long.
 
LAWFISH said:
Oh, and F Obama. the taxocrates and the repiglocrates too! I will make my own way through these tough times. I dotn need your stinking handouts.

Dave

TED NUGENT for President.
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I agree with you 100% on that! Your post makes me think of another thing aside from the bloodsucking unions and corporate greed.......... I'm sick to death of busting my ass to EARN a living, and now MORE of my hard earned $$ are going to support people who aren't working because they can't, but because they WON'T. Example: Was standing behind a woman in the grocery store yesterday who had on designer clothes, professionally frosted hair, and her nails done, had a cart full of high dollar groceries, paid for with food stamps. OK, that pissed me off. But here's the kicker. When I went out to the parking lot, what do I see? This chick unloading her shit into a brand new BMW!!!:mad: Thanks Obama, taxaholic Democrats and spineless Republicans. You're all just making life wonderful for us working class :rolleyes:

 
dodgechargerfan said:
Tell the workers that if they don't take the deal, they'll be denied government assistance when their plant closes down.

While that's sounds cold, it's logic that comes right from the workers' mouths. I've seen it on evening news: 'Bail us out now or bail us out later!"
Meaning, pay to help us keep working or you'll have to pay us to not work later.

That has to work both ways. Give up a little to keep working or stop working and get nothing.

Certainly, ALL folks that are unemployed are not to blame for their situation, but in this case where you are given an option and you make a choice, you have to be ready to live with that choice. No?

Isn't it current law in Canada that if you quit your job, you get zero assistance from Employment Insurance? (or has that changed. sorry, I haven't kept up with that stuff.)

One could argue that holding out against a deal - that gives you a choice - until your workplace closes is tantamount to quitting.

What might be worse in all of this is that I suspect that not all workers are of the same mind with regards to what needs to be done. Those that are willing to give some things up to keep working, are not getting the same amount of air time as the union execs. I guess it doesn't make for good "news."

Surely, there is some concern that giving up a few things is a slippery slope: we give a little and they keep asking for more. That's a fair concern. But, as project74's case relates, if all the facts are on the table, a fair plan of action can be determined.

Action like that requires trust. If that's the biggest argument to taking that route, then the wrong people are in charge - on both sides of the table.
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You make a lot of good points DCF. My dad worked for Chrysler in the Newark, DE plant during the Carter years. If he were working there today (of course if that plant wasn't closed) he would be one of the people willing to make some concessions to keep the plant open and at least have a job.
 
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*giggles at the thought of a woman with frosting in her hair*


Errr, sorry. Umm, FUCK the Unioooons! Grrr! (please continue) :D
 
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