stomping elephant

[69.5CUDA]

well a old girl walked into my shop :shifty: ..ive had this old girl a long long long time...and it seems in the last year or so she managed to get some water in her..sadly its a 40k original mile 354....im going to pop the heads and pan and see how shes doing..lube her back up and haul it up to the 40 for the rat.....ill post some more pic's once i get her open

 

[thrashingcows]

Hope all is well inside. What are the numbers on the heads? The 555's are the ones people seek for their superior design and flow. I've always loved the generator and power steering set-ups they have up top.

 

[69.5CUDA]

hmmm where are the #'s at on the heads ill look......i do know that the exhaust ports are huge ovals

that genny PS unit is kinda cool but kinda creeps me out too..shame it covers up so much motor...wonder if i could mount it lower in the rat

on a side note.....i can still turn it over by hand......my guess is any damage inside will be limited to the top of one or 2 cyls....ill know in a bit

 

[thrashingcows]

Not sure why they call them the "triple nickel heads" but here's the casting number, casting #1556157. Should be on one of the runners?

 

[69.5CUDA]

well i got the top end off...and before anyone says anything..the pics make it look ALOT worse than it really is.....most everything just wipes right off except the #1 cyl but a lil scrubbing at it and even its comming off so..we shall see..the really really bad stuff actualy cleaned off with my fingers...so the valves im still looking at and wondering but even they cleaned up with a lil rubbing at them..so it all comes down to that #1 cyl(or is that #2?)

 

[69.5CUDA]

whats the sticky stuff that almost spiderwebbed as i pealed the headgaskets off..ive never had a set of head gasket come off soooooo easy

 

[thrashingcows]

Well not what you want to see on any motor, and especially a low mileage 354 Hemi. I would recommend the molasses and water mix for the rocker arm assemblies, and maybe even the heads. The only concern I have for the heads would be the guides. If they are brass, zinc, aluminum etc then the acid in the molasses will eat them up. As for the cylinders and block, there are a few products out there that can clean up that rust with no damage, or material loss to your block.

Here's a link to the molasses thread over on the HAMB....go to post 110 and look at the head this guy cleaned!!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408074&page=6

 

[69.5CUDA]

as i like the molasses mix and what ive seen...did you post that link before???(i remember seeing chunks of it lol) cause i WILL be making a vat up on the 40 but right now this engine doesnt seem to need it....but going to have to use it on some of the front axle definatly

here is the kicker..

the rockers wipe clean..its rust dust off the inside of the valve cover with a little surface rust just starting in a few small spots so no worrys there
7 of the 8 cyls wiped down and came clean showing cross hatches..damn shame...theres a few spots that need a lil cleaning up but im certain a honeing would clean it without the need to punch it out

the 1 cyl tho...well its comming clean but its going to need the real honing i think..still too early to tell...so if you have any miracle cures im all ears

i too worry about the heads and valves tho NOTHING is stuck it all seems superficial right now...what looked like scale on the valves wiped right off with my fingers..but its hard to tell at the back side of the ports.....there isnt even surface rust on the cam lobes or the lifters or mile long push rods..which boggles my mind

i think the intake was the worst hit and the scale and rust deposits are actualy just pooled up rust water from the intake and it stuck to the carbon build up on everything from the heads in.....only a deeper tear down will tell for sure but theres HEAVY scaling in the intake and flakes of it in the dry ports

 

[6pkrunner]

Damn - that molasses mixture works like gangbusters! Would never had thought......

 

[Not A Duster]

There was thread on Moparts around 10 yerars ago where the guy documented over a couple weeks freeing up a badly locked 440 by soaking it in a tub of that molasses brew. He used the powdered mix to start IIRC.

-BL

 

[thrashingcows]

If the intake is rusty, then make up a small tub of molasses mix and toss in the intake.[smilie=::

 

[69.5CUDA]

grins the intake was actualy 1 of the parts i didnt want to use if i can help it ..lol..gotta have "some" speed parts right...lol
but it will be my test part for the mix

 

[69.5CUDA]

i lil soaking and a lil hand rub with a hone and poof she fully turns over nice and clean..no visable pitting and nothing that will require anything more than a simple hone..there isnt even a ridge on it to ream

still need to flip the block over and yank that pan

 

[mopar_man]

Feel free to send me those valve covers. I'd love to have a set of any Hemi covers to hang on my garage wall.

 

[69.5CUDA]

if i find a set of "industrial" valve covers that may be an option.......

 

[dodgedifferent2]

swap meet over at hothemiheads.com has some valve covers that pop up from time to time.
or egay


the 555 (triple nickel) heads are 1955 heads from a 331. Which flow the best compared to the 354 heads and the 392 heads.
http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2851

and the ground pounding engine masters challenge engine 354 engine

http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3467&p=12308&hilit=engine+masters+challenge#p12308

 

[69.5CUDA]

damn now thats some engine porn!!!

thans a bunch for the links!!!!

 

[69.5CUDA]

o.0 seems after some reading..my heads arnt listed.....
16(or 8)19823-1.......that second digit is just cast badly enuf to make it hard to tell

 

[thrashingcows]

This one lists your head number...1619823

http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/

1956 Chrysler Car 354 Hemi.

 

[69.5CUDA]

woot and a plethora of more info..thanx cow...i wonder where the block #'s are...