DaVinci Code
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JesusChrysler
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The Previews look pretty good...
AND it seems to piss off thousands of people...
MUST be a good flick, lol.
Matt
AND it seems to piss off thousands of people...
MUST be a good flick, lol.
Matt
Fishy
Omnipotent Seaweasel
Isn't it about questioning the existence of God or not?? I know it's about some religious point of view or the philosophy there-of:hmmm: so I've heard anyways.
Ok nevermind, I IMDB'd it http://imdb.com/title/tt0382625/
Ok nevermind, I IMDB'd it http://imdb.com/title/tt0382625/
1966D100
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Fishboy said:
Yeah, I know what you're talking about, it has something to do with numbers and words in the bible that "predicted" some of our most recent disasters and tragidies....but also say a part where they found some other prediction of a tradgidy in Mobey Dick
, so I'm really not sure if its a true philosiphy or not....i think it was on the History Chanel at one time or something :huh:
Fishy
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I saw some program on tv not too long ago where a bunch of Theology guys admitted they might have the wrong info about 666, they think it was horribly misunderstood and the Number of the Beast is really 999. (Looks like Iron Maiden may have to redo that song1966D100 said:Yeah, I know what you're talking about, it has something to do with numbers and words in the bible that "predicted" some of our most recent disasters and tragidies....but also say a part where they found some other prediction of a tradgidy in Mobey Dick
) and they also finally translated the Bible of Judas and he is now held as an innocent?:huh:I don't follow religion so I don't really understand quite what they meant but the 666 thing was pretty damn funny! 
sleeper448
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Its a good detective and chase book w/ lots of referances to holy objects and symbolisms. Good reading, fun..
But no truth. :liar:
as far as story goes. its a funny trickary of fiction , placed on the nonfiction shelf in a library. Becuase it uses real objects in a non fiction line,:naughty:
Quite clever .
But no truth. :liar:
as far as story goes. its a funny trickary of fiction , placed on the nonfiction shelf in a library. Becuase it uses real objects in a non fiction line,:naughty:
Quite clever .
Diplomat_Wagon
Hiding In The Bushes While
I probably won't see it.:dgt:
I don't like supportin things that poke fun at the man upstairs.:naughty:
I don't like supportin things that poke fun at the man upstairs.:naughty:
Dr.Jass
Pastor of Muppets
I've had it with "The DaVinci Code"... people are treating the book as if there's some lick of truth to it, which there isn't. It's fiction, kids... look at the rack on which it's set at the library or bookstore. Yet there are documentaries made about it, research done into what's purported in the book, and time spent on the "what if" crap that the writer invented to keep the story line going.
It's a real testament to the ability of the writer, but get over it... it's complete fabrication.
The sad thing is we live in a society where people read/see that kind of stuff and automatically accept it as fact. You know--kind of like Howard Stern telling people he's funny, which he isn't, and so everyone walks around talking about how funny Howard Stern is, which he isn't.
It's a real testament to the ability of the writer, but get over it... it's complete fabrication.
The sad thing is we live in a society where people read/see that kind of stuff and automatically accept it as fact. You know--kind of like Howard Stern telling people he's funny, which he isn't, and so everyone walks around talking about how funny Howard Stern is, which he isn't.
Yep, that's the one thing that people forget: the story is fictional.
However, the concepts presented have been researched and debated for quite a long time. There are many historians and theologians studying these ideas long before Dan Brown could spell.
He's done a lot of the same research, but being a fictional writer, wrapped a nice plot line around all of the theories and laughed all the way to the bank.
Nothing wrong with that. However, the one thing that bugs me about Dan Brown - or maybe it's just the interviewers - Dan Brown DID do the research and he DOES have an opinion that is backed by a collection of evidence (no word on the validity of the evidence though..) When they talk to him, he talks like an expert (which, I guess he is, to a point.), but no one ever stops to say, "Hey, all this stuff we're talking about could be true, but that's not what the whole book is about. There's some "story" that was added to keep readers turning the pages."
A lot of the real experts don't really dispute some of the theories, but they do go a bit further to explain that some of these things are just theories "because it makes the most sense for that time period" and similar statements like that.
It is a good book. I will see the movie at some point. Probably on DVD. Movie theaters are for special effects not stories.
As for the basis of the story. I believe there's some truth to it all. Maybe this story is not that truth, but there's something behind it all.
The church is made up of people. Period.
People are fallible.
History has shown that the church has messed up on several occasions and the people in charge can be pretty nasty if they need to be. They wield a LOT of power and they've not been afraid to use in past history. It's been said that they don't do so much these days because they realize that they can't get away with it.
I have, I think, a pretty strong faith. I do not, however, have much use for the physical institution that is the church.
However, the concepts presented have been researched and debated for quite a long time. There are many historians and theologians studying these ideas long before Dan Brown could spell.
He's done a lot of the same research, but being a fictional writer, wrapped a nice plot line around all of the theories and laughed all the way to the bank.
Nothing wrong with that. However, the one thing that bugs me about Dan Brown - or maybe it's just the interviewers - Dan Brown DID do the research and he DOES have an opinion that is backed by a collection of evidence (no word on the validity of the evidence though..) When they talk to him, he talks like an expert (which, I guess he is, to a point.), but no one ever stops to say, "Hey, all this stuff we're talking about could be true, but that's not what the whole book is about. There's some "story" that was added to keep readers turning the pages."
A lot of the real experts don't really dispute some of the theories, but they do go a bit further to explain that some of these things are just theories "because it makes the most sense for that time period" and similar statements like that.
It is a good book. I will see the movie at some point. Probably on DVD. Movie theaters are for special effects not stories.
As for the basis of the story. I believe there's some truth to it all. Maybe this story is not that truth, but there's something behind it all.
The church is made up of people. Period.
People are fallible.
History has shown that the church has messed up on several occasions and the people in charge can be pretty nasty if they need to be. They wield a LOT of power and they've not been afraid to use in past history. It's been said that they don't do so much these days because they realize that they can't get away with it.
I have, I think, a pretty strong faith. I do not, however, have much use for the physical institution that is the church.
BB71Challenger
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I hear both sides of the story and I have come to my own conclusion. Yes the bible was written by men but I am a firm believer that God would not judge us without giving us a blueprint to live by. That blueprint is the New Testament, words written by men but inspired by the Holy Spirit.
69.5CUDA
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ahhh yes..thats always been my argument..people are fallible.INCLUDEING ones whoe MAKE and WRITE BOOKS!!!..NO exceptionsdodgechargerfan said:
want to make a die hard redneck happy..explain to him that "if" its true that we all came from adam and eve...then no matter what female you screw she realy is your sister/mother/grandmother
books are only as true as what was in the writers mind at the time of COMPLETION..as the begining of any book can be true the mind has a habit of distorting facts and adding fiction to keep the readers attention....just the way all books were intended....PRIME EXAMPLE TIME...how many times have the school history books been "re-writen" due to new "correct" information being found
books are biased to the writers opinion nuff said
just like a computor is only as right as its programing
BB71Challenger said:
I agree. I've always looked at the bible as a collection of fables from which lessons can be learned. Those lessons are what keep the people that follow them, good people - at least in the eyes of everyone who believes in those lessons and hopefully, in their own eyes.
In the end, I think that's what matters. Are you happy with yourself? And, if these lessons matter to you, do you think you've done a good job following them?
Some will say that the church is there to teach us the lessons, remind us, give us a chance for a check-up to see how we're doing. True enough.
And while I don't think that I know all of the rules, nor am I perfect, I don't think I really need the institution that is the church today for any of that. I know I could certainly use some help in this area. I just don't think that the enormous, richly decorated building full of people I don't know is the place to get that help. It might the place for others and that's fine. I just don't get much out of the experience, so I don't think it's for me.
As far as the New Testament as our blueprint is concerned, it is an historic fact that Constantine essentially commissioned the New Testament. Some say that what's in the New Testament is only a small portion of the written history of Jesus. A lot was left out. So, the blueprint had an architect and that architect was a normal human being.
That said, you have to ask the question, "Did the architect do a good job?"
I BELIEVE that he did.
That belief and the belief of millions of Catholics around the world is the key to the strength of the Catholic church.
Shake that belief and you undermine the strength and power of the church.
That's the biggest fear with regards to all of this Da Vinci code and Angels and Demons (another good book by Dan Brown) stuff.
Bottom line again: if people are out there that want to try and dig all this stuff up and the Vatican keeps their secrets a secret, this whole discussion will never end.
What does that do to your personal belief system?
It doesn't really change mine one bit.
So, I read the books and enjoy them for what they are. Fiction based on some historical facts.
Has anyone read any of Dan Brown's other novels?
Digital Fortress. Interesting start. Disappointing finish. Overall, my impression is that it's less than tripe.
Where are all the documentaries about unbreakable codes and corporate espionage on a global scale?
Deception Point. Okay book. Sometimes I find some of the interwoven plot lines are not developed enough. He seems to get to a certain point and then just switch gears and never goes back to finish.
Where are all the documentaries about NASA and Presidential back room agreements and black ops against domestic targets......? :wtf:
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1966D100
Behind my Polysphere making engine noises and
I'm a writer [smilie=f: (amature in training lol)
But i write fiction, and it stays fiction. So far, the only fact i ever put into a story was about medical things like how that under a sever impact the neck and spine can stretch out as much as 10%, while a saftey belt can stretch to as much as two inches per foot (once again, under severe impact). The only reason why i stated those facts is the story i'm writing is of a guy who gets into a severe wreck on the track, is confined to a wheelchair, and then he throws himself into a drunken downward spiral, on top of that, at his worst, he finds out he has a kid (these idea's were already planed out before coming onto this board, any ideas and situations that can relate to you are not inspired by you guys, if that offended anyone, i applogize)
But, like my favorite english teacher, a good book leaves you wanting to flip to the next page wondering whats going to happen next, even if its predictable, cause the writer could throw you for a loop and have it go the otherway, once again, drawing your undivided attention.
I think what was also apealing of the book (and movie) was it seemed to make a realistic fantasy world, one that mirrors our current one, but with that church scandle thingie or what ever it is (i didn't read the book nor see the movie).
And also what i've learned, not everyone can be pleased or will like your writing, and rightfully so. We all have our own opinions and we should be able to express them so.
So as a fellow writer, genious, but in a way, like DCF pointed out, its a little easy to make fun of the institution known as the church, because of its history of abusive power, soiling the word of God.
but thats just my opinion
But i write fiction, and it stays fiction. So far, the only fact i ever put into a story was about medical things like how that under a sever impact the neck and spine can stretch out as much as 10%, while a saftey belt can stretch to as much as two inches per foot (once again, under severe impact). The only reason why i stated those facts is the story i'm writing is of a guy who gets into a severe wreck on the track, is confined to a wheelchair, and then he throws himself into a drunken downward spiral, on top of that, at his worst, he finds out he has a kid (these idea's were already planed out before coming onto this board, any ideas and situations that can relate to you are not inspired by you guys, if that offended anyone, i applogize)
But, like my favorite english teacher, a good book leaves you wanting to flip to the next page wondering whats going to happen next, even if its predictable, cause the writer could throw you for a loop and have it go the otherway, once again, drawing your undivided attention.
I think what was also apealing of the book (and movie) was it seemed to make a realistic fantasy world, one that mirrors our current one, but with that church scandle thingie or what ever it is (i didn't read the book nor see the movie).
And also what i've learned, not everyone can be pleased or will like your writing, and rightfully so. We all have our own opinions and we should be able to express them so.
So as a fellow writer, genious, but in a way, like DCF pointed out, its a little easy to make fun of the institution known as the church, because of its history of abusive power, soiling the word of God.
but thats just my opinion
Further to the Constantine point and belief, back in the day of Constantone, if you didn't believe what you were told to believe, you were imprisoned, tortured, or killed as a heretic.
I was watching a documentary (sorry Doc) about Angels and Demons and one academic said that if the Catholic church could get away with it, they would still be doing that sort of thing today...
They then went onto present the 1981 Vatican city murders and the subsequent hush-hushing as a possible example.
The link seems weak to me, but the story still raises questions about why things were covered up. I don't think we'll ever know but I don't see an immediate reason to know either.
The Vatican is a political entity (they have a seat in the U.N.). Politics will happen. Politics isn't the most Honorable profession in the world - by most accounts. Power struggles occur all the time. History has accounted for this within the Papacy as well.
Think of all the assassinated Presidents. Then think of all the assassinated Popes. It's the same underlying reasoning. The Vatican has just been at it longer and been through it in more treacherous times.
I was watching a documentary (sorry Doc) about Angels and Demons and one academic said that if the Catholic church could get away with it, they would still be doing that sort of thing today...
They then went onto present the 1981 Vatican city murders and the subsequent hush-hushing as a possible example.
The link seems weak to me, but the story still raises questions about why things were covered up. I don't think we'll ever know but I don't see an immediate reason to know either.
The Vatican is a political entity (they have a seat in the U.N.). Politics will happen. Politics isn't the most Honorable profession in the world - by most accounts. Power struggles occur all the time. History has accounted for this within the Papacy as well.
Think of all the assassinated Presidents. Then think of all the assassinated Popes. It's the same underlying reasoning. The Vatican has just been at it longer and been through it in more treacherous times.
69.5CUDA
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ive been building a 69 cuda for a preacher..or whatever you want to call him for several years now...quite frankly the whole "religion" thing..from ANY culture leaves a distastefull fealing in general...the things that ppl can blindly worship is amazing...but to call any 1 of them wrong is where things get funny as all hell..most of these "belifes" state that ALL others are wrong and will goto hell(in one for or another)..that there religion is the "only" one and the "right" one....the idea of an "all powerfull" rings right up there with bigfoot , lochness and many others..for shits and gigles lets just asume we are a big seince project left by UFO's..and frankly it isnt any more far fetched than any of the religions
as i see it its a dominance thing..befor saying WTF think about the pope ..and how much he controls..and it works its way allll the way down to the tiny little churches and there 1 person dictateing to there flock..1 big Fing power trip
all of these fables and compilated storys of magic and bullshit have cause wars and will continue to cause wars ..as there nothing more than a powertrip and pissing contest of "mines bigger than yours" and "mines better than yours"...IMO ppl who REQUIRE a writen belife are lost and have not found themselves
what do i personaly belive in..well i good go all out on this but ill sum it up
....life itself..myself my friends and my "close" family..that most ppl are assholes and that "good" ppl are hard to find..the world is full of greed and the further i can keep myself away from it the better off i will be..your born to enjoy life..and you will die...its what you do with your time you have and how much you enjoy your self and your life that matters...doesnt matter if you make a change in the world or help fuck it up ..its how much you "truely" enjoyed your own complete life
i stoped watching news stoped reading anything news related about 10 years ago as its all proof of how much greed the world is consumed by...when was the last time that news actualy made you truely feel good and improved your day?..the "important" news that realy relates to you is your friend just had a baby ..your aunt just died..your best friend is getting maried...anything much outside of your own circle does not realy benifit you and is just as much of gosip as betty joe got drunk last night or that beeper has been out Fing sheep again
i could bash on any writen religion till i was blue in the face pointing out obvious errors/lies/deseptions/bullshit...but those "lost" in there readings and leaders will not open there eyes let alone listen and truely hear where the errors lie..since every person must find themselves eventualy
as i see it its a dominance thing..befor saying WTF think about the pope ..and how much he controls..and it works its way allll the way down to the tiny little churches and there 1 person dictateing to there flock..1 big Fing power trip
all of these fables and compilated storys of magic and bullshit have cause wars and will continue to cause wars ..as there nothing more than a powertrip and pissing contest of "mines bigger than yours" and "mines better than yours"...IMO ppl who REQUIRE a writen belife are lost and have not found themselves
what do i personaly belive in..well i good go all out on this but ill sum it up
....life itself..myself my friends and my "close" family..that most ppl are assholes and that "good" ppl are hard to find..the world is full of greed and the further i can keep myself away from it the better off i will be..your born to enjoy life..and you will die...its what you do with your time you have and how much you enjoy your self and your life that matters...doesnt matter if you make a change in the world or help fuck it up ..its how much you "truely" enjoyed your own complete life
i stoped watching news stoped reading anything news related about 10 years ago as its all proof of how much greed the world is consumed by...when was the last time that news actualy made you truely feel good and improved your day?..the "important" news that realy relates to you is your friend just had a baby ..your aunt just died..your best friend is getting maried...anything much outside of your own circle does not realy benifit you and is just as much of gosip as betty joe got drunk last night or that beeper has been out Fing sheep again
i could bash on any writen religion till i was blue in the face pointing out obvious errors/lies/deseptions/bullshit...but those "lost" in there readings and leaders will not open there eyes let alone listen and truely hear where the errors lie..since every person must find themselves eventualy
6pkrunner
I think I'm pleasurin' myself but I'm just
As the buzzwords of all those who want to get elected ring out - politics is optics. The world is optics. If you hammer that the moon is made out of beeper's pantaloons often enough and in the right circles, it will be so.
So some guy pens a work of fiction and the Hollywood hype machine grinds up and spews out the word. A few well placed pokes to awaken the sleeping Catholic and religious right to get them up in arms and all of a sudden its world contraversy.
Umm people its getting way too easy. Let's see you get the world worked up that XL has given up bunnies. Now that would be great spin.
So some guy pens a work of fiction and the Hollywood hype machine grinds up and spews out the word. A few well placed pokes to awaken the sleeping Catholic and religious right to get them up in arms and all of a sudden its world contraversy.
Umm people its getting way too easy. Let's see you get the world worked up that XL has given up bunnies. Now that would be great spin.