AM I the only one left?

Dr.Jass

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Recently a customer of mine with a '72 Challenger called me asking if I have any 3.23 gears lying around for an 8¾". I thought I did, but apparently the last set went in the latest scrap run.

This guy just spent $6K on a 414-inch stroker motor (because he was stupid enough to bore a 360 block .060" over though it would have cleaned up at .030", but that's a discussion for another day). The car's not his daily driver... it's a fuckin' toy.

He wanted to know about the 3.23s because he can't bear driving the car with the engine turning over 3 grand on the highway with the 3.91s currently in it. The fuel mileage is too bad, and the stroker singing is just too much.

What the hell ever happened to hardcore car guys? We've become so spoiled by the overdrive transmissions in our newer daily drivers that we think our musclecars should be the same way? What ever happened to the joy of instantaneous power when the throttle's punched? Did we lose our appreciation of pipes singing?

He later called me about some parts for an A518, and before I looked up Part 1, I asked him if this was for the Challenger. He confirmed, and I tried really hard to explain to him the butchery needed to install that trans in his car. He seemed nonplussed, like the overdrive was worth how much hacking and slashing it would take to get that trans in his car... "They make a kit now!" was what he said. I asked if they explained in the "kit" directions how badly he'd have to carve up the car, and he didn't know other than to say it came with a new trans crossmember. I asked him upper or lower, and he didn't even reailze that the part to which the trans-mount crossmember bolts is the upper and an integral part of the front subframe.

C'mon, people... have we lost it completely? By and large, these cars are weekend cruisers and the occasional ride to work. Doing 500 miles in a weekend in my 4.10-geared '73 Challenger 340 bothered me not one whit. I drove nearly 7,000 miles in my '72 Charger 440+6 with second gear being the highest option and it was my daily driver (that included 2,500 miles in one week, driving home from Atlanta and back).

I know gas is expensive and revs equal poorer mileage (in most cases), but it's a plaything! Enjoy the good old days as they were... deep gears, goofy acceleration, and all the evils that became of cars that were built when gas was less then fifty cents per gallon.

If that's too much, sell the car and go back to driving your late-model Silverado.

69.5 and Fishy are completely exempt from this thread. You boys give 'er hell with those 5.33s!
 
My Beetle turns 3500 at a little over 65 mph. Does that count?

You're right, O/D trannies have spoiled everyone.
 
Back in the good old days, even both oil embargos, serious car guys ran 4:10-geared Super Track Pack Hemicars as their only transport, because they couldn't afford two cars. Now they can afford a toy, and bitch that it turns 3,200RPM on the highway because their new F150 is only at 1,700 at the same speed.

Toys are a frivolous expenditure... why's that so tough to understand?
 
LOL..you know EXACTLY where i stand dont ya doc...i will however admit...to considering now and then an add on OD unit for my 58 ford so that i could make LONGLONG runs with it..like up into canada 5 hours north..but dismiss it as much like i dismissed disc brakes on the car for ever so long cause i WANT it to feel like an old car..admitedly she will proly get some type of vintage air but it is a BLACK car and thats ALOT of black..oh and i belive the 58 to be sporting the factory 411 gears cause it was a 3spd6 car now its a 312 3 o/d(goofy manual trans)..i refuse to give up that "old car feel" you just cant get it back once its gone...i know you will cringe but....its got bias ply tiers on it.....they have very little milage on them and have no rot or cracking considering they were bought in the late 70's when it got its very last oil change before being parked...i do want to swap them for some WIDE whites tho when i get around to it

the 67 fish..yeah 533 gears aside..manual DRUMS on all 4 corners..atleast there the big drums up front and big b-bodys in the rear so she stops really good but keeps that "old" feel

my lloyd..yeah i know i went modern but....you cant really call a fire breathing v6hemi transaxle inboard discs manual rack manual stock car brakes very modern can ya?..its just not 1958 tech under there its early 80s tech.....

to be honest i like em old so much that my daily is the 89 turbo minivan..you keep in mind tho that a turbo minivan feels like a big 80's daytona with that turbo and 5spd...and my long haul runner is the 83 gtv6...and the song that the gtv6 sings....ahhhhh YUMMMY ittalian mopar(lol it is now tho)..and the turbo howling in the minivan nuff said

the world indeed has gone to a half assed retro rod lazy mentality....all the modern bullshit with the "look" and nothing more..flat pisses me off as bad as seeing a chevy 350 stuffed into anything
 
Well, stuffing a 350 into Sarah's original Cross-Fire 305 Z/28 ain't so bad... but then again, it's already a Chevy! If she'd put a nickel into that car, it'd already be done.
 
Yeah - I hear you - back when you built the 8 3/4 for me you gave me the option of 3:91 or the 3:55 I chose....

I waffle back & forth between regretting my decision, and being happy with my choice....depends on where I'm driving.
 
hell my minivans got 355's in it lol..and my gtv6 has 411's lol...course due to a lack of local options seems the van will be dropping down to 350 gears

see a swap from a 305 to a 350 i can respect to a point but its still a chev lol
 
For what you wanted at the time (and I may be wrong on this), I think I advised you to go 3.55. This customer's got a 400+ HP 414, and complaining that his 3.91's too steep!

Seriously... make up your mind, dude!
 
69.5: cubes is cubes, so to speak. From the standpoint of Sarah's Z, it's no different than putting a 360 where a 318 once sat. She just doesn't appreciate what could potentially be an 85HP upgrade would mean to her.
 
true..but im also the one who is running those 533 gears behind a 273/904 even tho ive got a highpro 70k mile 318 sitting here and a nice 727..its just not the same..cause i just love the ancient tech..the solid lifters and adjustable rockers..theres also the song change that the 273 has over the 318...hell ive got a 90k 360 sitting here too but i still love the 273...its not always about cubes..sometimes its about being oldschool and unique rather than having the biggest baddest....
mind you that 273 has a 340 cam..your most hated sp2p manifold cause 273's LOVE them..comando closed chambered heads...i can hear your eyeball twitching lol...actualy doc before saying a single word on the intake..i went thru 7 intakes and this one out performed ALL of them with this same set of heads....i didnt change ANYTHING but the intakes...the 2p just works on the 273..and probably ONLY the 273 lol..there was a VERY close second that was a weird angled 318 holley (with a square carter patter on the top???)or something like that ..it made INSANE rpm's i mean it was still pulling at 9k and i was like OHH SHIT ima blow this bitch up..but that same manifold couldnt pull itself out of a hole like the 2p can
 
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Yeah I KNOW that Barracuda w/ the 533's will absolutely destroy my wallet with gas money but do I really care?? HELL NO!!!! Yeah it's expensive but I have FUN with that car and it's a MUSCLE CAR!!! Don't get better than that!! :dance:

69.5 and Fishy are completely exempt from this thread. You boys give 'er hell with those 5.33s!
Oh, don't worry! ;)
 
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3.91's with my Duster. They don't bother me a bit. I take it to Woodward 2.5 hours away on the freeway, with RPM around 4,000 at 75 mph. My kids sleep in the backseat during this. They've been riding in this car since they were babies and are used to it. :D

The Dart has 3.23's. With a four-speed those gears feel great. Though Piggy is tempted to throw in some 2.94's for a real freeway cruiser. It doesn't matter since the Dart isn't a drag car.
 
I know, it's a Chevy. Get over it.:dgt: It has 3.73's, and sings a bit on the freeway, but I enjoy the way it sounds and drives, even with the narrow wheels & caps. Being a Chevy, however, it does like to eat cams. It's name is Frank. I've been driving that truck for 20 years.[smilie=::

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68..course it counts...im still trying to find a "reasonably priced" 312 dual 4 manifold...they came stock on interceptor and t-bird motors
 
I know a guy that has a factory 3x2 setup for a Y-block, but he won't part with it. Nothing to put it on, he just likes to look at it. :doh:
 
I know a guy that has a factory 3x2 setup for a Y-block, but he won't part with it. Nothing to put it on, he just likes to look at it. :doh:

My Dad has one of those.

Came off the 312 from his hot rod years ago.

Always wondered what happened to the rest of that car.
 
68..course it counts...im still trying to find a "reasonably priced" 312 dual 4 manifold...they came stock on interceptor and t-bird motors
I may have a source for you. Give me a couple of days. He's a cranky old machinist, but has a ton of Y block and FE stuff.
 
mmmmmm if he has any aluminum stuff..ill be droolin...vally pan valve covers pan....ive run across atleast a dozen "marine" 312 manifolds..those things are wicked cool looking...and the 3 dueces but im not a fan of 2brl carbs
would be sweeeeet to come across the old spyrex? solid core wires from the 50s along with a magneto for it...mmmmm vintage coolness...meanwhile ill stick to my points..no moderness for this one
 

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